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ToddEVF

12-03-2002, 06:06 PM

Every day I grow more impatient to see this movie. I've been waiting since i saw Fellowship of the Ring. And i guarentee after i see TT, i will be waiting for Return of the King. Jesus Christ! I can't wait till they finally release the uncut Lord of the Rings on DVD (all 3 films, back to back, 1 opening and credit reel. Due out 6 months after ROTK is released on DVD)

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12-03-2002, 06:10 PM

Yeah, I'm a Tolkien dvd addict. I bought the first dvd released. Then, bought the collector's edition as soon as I could. I'll do the same with the Two Towers and Return of the King. And, then, when they're all in one boxed set, I'll buy that, too! Must have them all!

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blakjeezis

12-03-2002, 07:47 PM

I still haven't seen the first one. Or read the books. Ho-hum
Yeah, great. Thanks for sharing, Captain Contrary. Don't you have some underground LP's to alphabetize or something?

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12-03-2002, 08:26 PM

Don't you have some underground LP's to alphabetize or something?

He knows me too well.

I'm afraid of these films. I love long movies, but I hate 99% of all sci-fi/fantasy I come across. But I loved Peter Jackson's other films, especially the horror ones. But nerds piss me off. And I was just burned twice after finally seeing "Harry Potter" and "Attack of The Clones"...what if I'm hurt again? Where will you be then, bj? Will there only be one set of footprints?

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TooCute

12-04-2002, 02:18 AM

EEEW Harry Pottah and
Attack of the Clones sucked
my ass oh eeeew

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12-04-2002, 05:09 AM

Be fair now, that Yoda fight was pretty cool. 
Still Lucas can't hope to match the epic nature of the LOTR series and he crams too much crap into every shot. He's not a talented enough director to open up the cinematography and let the scenery speak for itself. 
I can't want for the Two Towers. It's gonna rock. 

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Cybersoldier

12-04-2002, 05:45 AM

Speaking of looking good two towers does look great and so does the new star trek movie so my december is set when it comes to movies

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12-04-2002, 05:53 AM

Ahh, Mojo, my son, I am always there for you. Those footprints you see are Wilt Chamberlain's. He fills in for me sometimes.
Do yourself a favor, when you deign to come down off that high horse of yours, watch the extended cut. It's worth it.

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12-04-2002, 08:42 AM

Be fair now, that Yoda fight was pretty cool.

Everyone keeps saying that, but it just made me laugh. It was like a ninja Keebler elf or something. And the fact Lucas obscured most of the action with shadows and lightsaber glare indicates even he doesn't have faith in his FX addiction. And if Yoda can just bust out and go flippity-flip whenever he wants, why the hell is he walking around with a cane all the time, or riding a floating chair?

Do yourself a favor, when you deign to come down off that high horse of yours, watch the extended cut. It's worth it.

I'm not passing judgement, just based on my loathing of similar films, I am wary. Plus I have to set aside a whopping three to four hours to check it out. Yowza.

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Johnny4

12-04-2002, 04:13 PM

Mojo, you floored me with the footprints comment. One funny mother. I will see the two towers. Lord of the rings was very good, not as good for many if they weren't into the books. It was better than Attack of the Clones. I think Lucas is still a good director, but he is a shitty writer. You could have gotten together 5 adolescent fans and wrote a better script. Unfortunately Lucas to this point has made 3 great movies Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and American Grafitti. Every thing else is complete shit.

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DarkHippie

12-04-2002, 04:39 PM

too cute, how did you see the movie so early?

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12-04-2002, 04:49 PM

this movie is gonna rock, the
books did, and so did the
first mov

this makes me want to do the
robot dance----8 crazy night

TheMojoPin

12-04-2002, 08:05 PM

Unfortunately Lucas to this point has made 3 great movies Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and American Grafitti.

And he came up with the idea for and helped write all three Indiana Jones flicks. But the warning signs were early...he tried to pass off a horrible "American Grafitti" sequel on us about 20 years ago, but we foolishly thought it was a fluke. I think it's apparent now that he had only written "A New Hope" and "Empire", and he's just been winging it ever since. So sad.

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Se7en

12-04-2002, 08:15 PM

Be fair now, that Yoda fight was pretty cool.

Much ado about very little.

I had friends who kept pimping that part of the movie to me. "Dude, you gotta see this film! Yoda kicks ass!" And so I finally saw it, and I'm like.....yeah, okay. That's nice. Yeah, that's cool, but really, was that worth the 15 bucks I paid for the DVD?

Lord of the Rings, however, has quickly become one of my favorite movies. The more I watch it (I just watched again tonight, after watching the WB special on "The Two Towers"), the more I believe that it's truly one of the best films ever made.

Yes, you heard me. EVER made. From start to finish, the film is just great on SO many levels.

So I can't wait until TTT.

BTW, I'd just like to say that I just really, really don't "get" Ron & Fez's little joke about always throwing off on LOTR. I just don't find the humor in it.

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The Jays

12-04-2002, 08:18 PM

Still Lucas can't hope to match the epic nature of the LOTR series

...shouldn't that be the other way around? The first three Star Wars films created the greatest epic ever told on screen....

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12-04-2002, 09:19 PM

...shouldn't that be the other way around? The first three Star Wars films created the greatest epic ever told on screen....

I think it's documented somewhere, (um, maybe) that Lucas was heavily influenced by Tolkien's work when he wrote star wars (the original trilogy) and if it isn't documented or admitted by lucas, there are far too many parallels between the two to imagine that Lucas wasn't influenced by Tolkien.

LOTR's biggest challenge for acceptance in America is people won't go out and read a friggin' book, especially not escapist fiction, which make up most of the bonifide "classics" in literature.

Here's a challenge: think LOTR is too far fetched for you? go to a library (remember those things?) and read Gulliver's travels or Animal Farm, and realize that just because somebody made a cutsey cartoon based loosely on a book and a marketing scheme, doesn't make the genre "immatue" and "for children"

then shell out the $5 to rent Fellowship, and realize you can still make a movie without James Van Der Beek or a Wayans brother....

ugh, I'm annoyed, I'm going to bed....

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12-04-2002, 10:14 PM

But in "Animal Farm", I can come across a pig, and not have to read thirty pages of backstory on the pig, read songs sung of the pig, what the pig's ancestors did for breakfast, etc., blah-blah-blah...

Tolkien was a nifty guy, but reading his books I keep thinking, "I'm reading a fake history book and an actual narrative keeps trying to break out." Not my cup of tea. Maybe it's because I mostly read real historical, sociology and cultural studies books. I just find our actual world far more interesting. No malice, just a preference...

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12-05-2002, 08:26 AM

I think it's documented somewhere, (um, maybe) that Lucas was heavily influenced by Tolkien's work when he wrote star wars (the original trilogy) and if it isn't documented or admitted by lucas, there are far too many parallels between the two to imagine that Lucas wasn't influenced by Tolkien. 
Actually, I think the similarities arise from the fact that Tolkien was a scholar who specialized in languages and antiquities, and Lucas was heavily influenced by such studies. Actually, the biggest influence on Lucas was Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" which shows how the same stories and characters arise in various cultures again and again throughout history. I have the book, and it's really interesting to review the table of contents - each chapter heading corresponds to a scene or theme in the original Star Wars trilogy.

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kc7586

12-11-2002, 02:31 PM

i can't wait to see this, i've been waiting all year like a nervous crack addict.

TooCute

12-11-2002, 04:34 PM

But Moj, if you read the Silmarillion, which admittedly is

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12-11-2002, 06:56 PM

Actually, the biggest influence on Lucas was Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" which shows how the same stories and characters arise in various cultures again and again throughout history.

Rent Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress".

Lucas admits to being a Kurosawa fan, and it shows - the plot to "A New Hope" was, shall we see, "heavily borrowed" from THF. You've got a princess that must be rescued, an evil empire, two bumbling comedy foils, a macho rogue there to save the day....it's all there.

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TheMojoPin

12-11-2002, 07:09 PM

Don't forget the old "Flash Gordon" adventure serials, and all the immitators. Lucas couldn't get them out of his brain. Look at all the goddamn side-wipes in between scenes in his films.

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yarpwizard

12-15-2002, 02:24 PM

I'm looking foward to see it... I'm having a Lord of the Rings marathon as we speak. I've watched all or bits of both versions all weekend. I'm syked. 

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Reiko Hidama

12-15-2002, 02:40 PM

Well this movie looks killer, hopefully it will be when I see it on Tuesday, w00t. 

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12-15-2002, 05:18 PM

I saw it with TooCute. The movie was really good, but I can't wait for the extended cut.

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TomPoo

12-16-2002, 12:16 PM

I am a huge Star Wars fan... and was hesitant to see LOR.

Well, I saw LOR Fellowship last night, and I have to say, as a whole (story, Cinematogrphay, everything) that it looks like this trilogy will blow the new Star Wars out of the sky.

Episode I & II have been nothing but a dissapointment in my book.

Bad writing, a week Anakin to Vader story line, and a bad over use of digital effects have ruined Star Wars for me. (and of coarse Jar Jar)

LOR is fascinating, with incredible characters and a story that hooks you right from the beginning - it is everything I wanted the new Star Wars Movies to be.

fuck Lucas.

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blakjeezis

12-16-2002, 12:50 PM

This sucks so hard! I was planning on taking the day off work and spending it in the theatre sitting in Tolkien inspired bliss for the day. Now I find out that not only will I have to work, but I will also have to drive three hours upstate to do a bitch of a fucking job. I will probably not even get to the film until the weekend. I am soooo pissed. First thing tomorrow morning, I'm taking a shit on my desk.

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12-16-2002, 07:37 PM

This is going to be the greatest weekend (Until Return of the King comes out...). Not only will I see the movie as soon as possible when it opens, I also have plans with about 30 people to go storm a theatre on Sunday afternoon and take it over!

I can't WAIT for this movie! And, the commercials just keep getting better and better!

Ents rule!

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Anakin Skywalker

12-16-2002, 07:48 PM

I've been dying to see this since last year. Every beginning of a epic has to have an intro (i.e. Episodes I & IV). It may seem aweful at first but when you get into it you'll appreciate what a work of art it is. Would I trade-in my jedi status to be a woodland elf, no but LOTR definately beats the shit out of Harry Potter.

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TheMojoPin

12-16-2002, 10:11 PM

that it looks like this trilogy will blow the new Star Wars out of the sky.

My God, a new movie that's BETTER than the last two "Star Wars" films? Phew, that's quite the limb you're out on there. Are you sure you want to stick with a statement like that? I mean, they won all those Oscars, and people raved about their emotional depth and intricate dramatic layering for months and months.

Wow.

I'm just stunned.

Slow down there, cowboy.

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12-18-2002, 05:21 PM

I saw it last night and damn it was a kickass movie. The Wargs rocked the Ents rocked the battle of Helms Deep rocked, Golum rocked, I mean it was just an awesome movie. 

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12-18-2002, 05:27 PM

omg i saw it today and it was so awesome. im going again on sunday to see it. i liked it much better than the first.

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12-18-2002, 05:52 PM

Wake me up when part three comes out.

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nellie

12-18-2002, 08:50 PM

i just saw it tonight and i loved it, the way the movie was organized between the two books of the two towers. though i think arwen was in it a little too much....

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The Chairman

12-19-2002, 02:21 AM

I had the pleasure of escorting the lovely Too Cute to the special premiere on Wednesday night in NYC at 9PM.

My quick review:

If you loved LOTR you will love this. Great action, amazing CGI (Gollum was simply amazing!) and true to the book.

They made the dwarf guy too much into a comic relief character, like C3PO. Some corny dialogue between Frodo and Sam, but Too Cute tells me that's straight from the book. The cinematography was tremendous and the realization of the written word was sublime.

That being said, I slept through half the movie. Not my bag. When the inevitable 4 different DVD sets come out, I will just take one of Too Cute's and slip a random disc in and use it instead of Ambien to fall asleep.

If I had to review the movie objectively, 4 stars definitely. But I don't like movies like Star Wars or Matrix so subjectively it was not my bag. But definitely worth ten bucks. And certainly better than the worst movie I've seen ever, the last Star Trek Movie, Attack of the Clones. I stayed awake through that one just so I could make sure I got my money back for this piece of shit crap with some of the worst acting, screenplay, directing and effects ever. I would rather have seen You've Got Mail remade with Rosie O'Donnell and Tommy Tune than that piece of crap. George Lucas took a pretty great franchise to its nadir.

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12-19-2002, 10:49 AM

the greatest movie i have ever seen, period.

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12-19-2002, 10:56 AM

i saw it last night..2 words to describe it f'n awesome

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12-19-2002, 11:10 AM

Good movie, great action and all, but one big problem with this trilogy is that the first two books have no climax's that leave you hanging.

Every story has begging, middle and end, and this is simply just the middle, sure the battle of helmdeep or whatever was a big climax but its not the major one of the trilogy. Tolkien wanted LOTR to be one book, but the publishing company made it into three parts, if LOTR was one movie you wouldnt all complain about drop off endings that just kinda dissapoint.

Otherwise great movie and im off to see it again soon.

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12-19-2002, 02:08 PM

I saw LOTR: Two Towers last night and all i have to say is, OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT MOVIE KICKED SO MUCH ASS!!!!!

The LOTR's francize is very well worked. The films are amazing and keep as best to the story as possible.

I heard people saying that the end of TT's the movie wasn't the same as the book. Well, for those that don't understand the concept that its a 3 shot deal and the actual end of TT's will mostlikely be where Return of the King starts off.

I thought the opening sequence was great, the fights were outstanding and the comedy was . . . well comedic.

I know i'll get flack for this, but. . . Smeagol stole the whole effin' show. He is god and hopefully, if i find a good pic of Smeagol, he will be in my new sig ofr the new year.

TWO TOWERS ROCK!!!!

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Reiko Hidama

12-19-2002, 03:47 PM

Yeah they moved Sheleb to ROTK to extend the Helm's deep battle, and dare I say worth it and smart. Oh and also two fantasy movies dealing with magic with giant spiders, in the same two months wouldn't be smart.(Harry Potter) 

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Justice4all

12-20-2002, 09:20 AM

Ok...well I saw the movie. And it started RIGHT were the last one ended off. I will say the acting throughout the whole movie was incredible.
I think the reason why Gimli (the dwarf) was more comedic was to show how he went from being a loner, who did not like the elves, to part of the group. More trusting and protective of his friends.
As for the others...well it helps when you film one movie right after the other to stay in charachter.
The battle scenes were beyond words and it was hard to find...if any...discrepencies (did I spell that right??)
Well done. I liked the battle of Isengard. It was almost funny to see the Entz kicking the goblins like they were footballs!! I cannot wait for the next one (like everyone else). And i might go see it again before new years!
Lucas will always have a special place in my heart..and to compare the two movies is not fair. Lucas wrote Star Wars entirely from his mind....Lord of the Rings are from something that was written almost 100 years ago.
It is easy to try and compare them because these appear to be the two biggest movies in our lifetime or generation.
But I still think the both are different. ( I am speaking of the Original 3 Star Wars...the jury is still out on the 1st 2)
Although Lucas seemed to make up with Episode 2, he has alot to make up for Episode one.
But so far..Peter Jackson has my support for Best Director at the Oscars.

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12-20-2002, 07:53 PM

I just saw Two Towers tonight. Now I was never into that elf, dwarf, wizard stuff or what have you. However, I am completely speechless!!!! I literally have NO words to describe how good it was. Hmmm, nope no words, so i'll just let it go.

TooCute

12-21-2002, 08:39 AM

I doubt moving Shelob to
the third movie had anything
to do with Harry Potter.
Rather, if you think about it,
RotK is about the same
length as the first two, but
half of it is devoted to
appendices (a lot of the info
contained therein, such as
the development of Arwen
and Aragorn's relationship
is already in the movie). Of
the half of the book that is
actually part of the story, half
of that deals with the
scouring of the shire -
which will not be in the
movies. It makes sense to
attempt to make TTT less
cramped (it seemed
over-edited and too short as
it was) and move Shelob to
the third movie.

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12-21-2002, 05:02 PM

i think the feeble attempts at comedy were unnecessary. it was a good movie but truth be told, i was a little disappointed.

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12-21-2002, 05:50 PM

Went last night with my daughters to the 10:15 show, didn't realize it was three hours. Regardless if I am familiar with the whole Tale or not, there were often times where I got bored out of my skull.
Then, even though you got to play along, how does one man swing a 20-30lb sword for hours on end, killing if not hundreds of trained killers that are three times his size. The battle scenes become a "bit much" to swallow.
Then in the beginning the three were running for several days, nonstop? I can't buy into it man!

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12-21-2002, 08:54 PM

20-30 pound sword? No, I think not. Anyway Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn had ::snaps fingers trying to think.:: the elf bread stuff that energizes you really quick. Orcs are really just cannon fodder, like storm troopers are to SW. 

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Doogie

12-22-2002, 12:57 AM

Ok I saw the two Towers tonight and I have to say that this one is more deserving of Academy nods than the other. The increased dialogue was a welcome to me, and I liked the fact that we stuck with the whole race of men thing this chapter. Although I loved the amalgamation of Elves/Men into another alliance. I was distraught to see sooooo little elves live at end...or maybe more so survive on camera than we see. The person I was with and I were distressed at the lack of elves surviving, although Legolas is the Jules winfield/Mr. Blonde of Elves. One bad mofo...

I liked the whole Gimli being the comedic guy...we get to see the dwarves for what they truly are. People with more souls than we gave credit for. And I loved the competition he had with the Elf, Legolas. How the two went from each others throat in FOTR to Friends in TT, and how they had competition to kill more orcs than the next. "I have killed two Legolas, how many does that make for you??" "I have killed 17 by this point..."-fucking classic...and then Gimli racking up the count...What a great movie. I must admit the weak point was the ending of the Bilbo/Gollum scenes. I know where Pete Jackson and whole trilogy is going (I read all the book now), just did not like the way he did it cinemotographically...I felt there should have of been better ending ending to that whole saga...ohhh well. Still very Oscar worthy, aghhhhh ghhheeeee gheeeee geeeeee

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DC Reed

12-22-2002, 12:35 PM

Great movie, although i thought the first one was better, cause it had all the character development, and suspense when the ringwraiths were chasing frodo.

I really enjoyed the "Bond" between Gimli and Legolas, and how the two were having a friendly competition. "Toss me........but dont tell the elf!" Great stuff

Gollum/Smiegal was a high point, especially when he is argueing with his alternate personailities. "Master will betray you.......(other personality) nope...)

The Ents were great, they were were extremely funny, and deep, i only hope to see them again in the next movie.

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12-22-2002, 08:56 PM

drudge jr's synopsis of the lord of the rings: the twin towers

this movie was excellent! I may not have red the book, or saw the first movie, but I completely understood this movie and give it 2 thumbs up for sure. for those of you who haven't seen the movie yet, here's a quick runthrough of the plot.

the story picks up where the last one leaves off. in the cold and distant lands of new zealand during the renaissance, or as they referred to it "middle earth." Sam and Frodo are on their way to take the magical ring to the big eye so he can save the shire, but they have quite a few opponents on the way! another plot is that of an oooold wizard named dumbledore who was killed in a battle with a giant slave-driver. but don't worry, because jesus gave him back his life and he became DUMBELDORE THE WHITE!

although this movie was great, there were a few mistakes. like. sam and frodo are going on two completely different adventures in the same movie! at one point, they're kidnapped by ogres who are alliegant to the evil saruman who will later build a shitload of really stupid ogres to attack the fort where all the humans live, but that comes much later. but while they're being kidnapped by ogres, they're also in a completely different place trying to get to mount murder (or mount doom, I think sauron lives at both) to give the ring to sauron. well, I'll just call the frodo and sam who get kidnapped by ogres, FRODO AND SAM 1 (FAS1) and the ones who are going to mount doom FRODO AND SAM 2 (FAS2) and I'll call the movie THE TWIN TOWERS (TTT).

ok, now that that's out of the way I'll continue. FAS2 meet up with a monster named golem who during the night splits into two monsters who fight about different things like killing frodo and sam (2), and eating meat raw or cooked. this character sucked. he was always yelling about his "precious", they never explain what his precious is! what is it! Why do we care? what is this stupid monster. he was clearly only there for comic relief.

Like I said before FAS2 are kidnapped by ogres who are killed in the night by evil horses who burn all the ogres, however FAS2 slip away into the woods where they meet the mysterious and wise MOSSBEARD, a big tree monster named an TENT for some reason. FAS2 basically just talk to mossbeard for the whole movie until they convince him to go attack some dam and kill a bunch of innocent villiagers just for cutting down a few trees. clearly the makers of this movie were trying to push some liberal enviromental agenda, for shame peter jackson.

another thing I loved about this movie are the rare but excellent cameos from other movies, much like a MAD MAGAZINE cartoon. an example of this are in the castle of the king of rohit, where his advisor is played by none other than THE PENGUIN of batman fame! another example is at helmet's deep where all the ogres are attacking. the ewoks from STAR WARS come and try to defend the fort where all the humans are hiding. Anyway, the penguin is convincing the senile old king of rohit that sauroman's ogres killing all the humans is a good thing for some reason. he also tries to hit on the beuatiful princess aowin and gets rejected DISSED AND DISMESSED! LOL. another cameo is by the computer guy from the matrix, he's disguised as a dwarf or something.

speaking of dwarfs, there's some dwarf who's always complaining about how short he is to some elf named legos, swedish for "play well" and Homer a human who's pretty good with the sword, but they're not important characters so don't worry about them.

Dumbledore the white, accompanied by the best horse in the world, hallifax, go and save the king of rohit by not only slaying the penguin, but also making the king 40 years younger thus removing him of senility. the king decides to move his entire villiage to the fortress called Helmut's deep, near the town the sauron protects called eyesguard. with a bunch of walls and crap, and the protection of the mighty and noble sauron, you'd think they'd be safe. BUT OOHHH NO! saurowman's breeding a huge army of ogres to att

JerryTaker

12-23-2002, 06:51 AM

Looks like someone's been reading too many MAD magazines...

...Like the jokes have changed in the past 20 years

...Dumbledore? where'd you get that? that's like calling Saurman "aspercreme"

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12-23-2002, 06:52 PM

Saw the movie this weekend! What can I say other than it ruled!

Greatest movie ever! Can't wait for Return of the King!!!!

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FMJeff

12-26-2002, 06:50 AM

Saw the movie last night.

First, my qualms:

1) It really annoys me when Sam calles Frodo, Mr. Frodo. Mister is a pronoun used in formal or professional relationships, not between friends. I do remember Sam referring to Frodo without it. I don't know if this was in the book, but it really confused me as to the relationship between Frodo and Samwise. Are they friends? I would think after the experiences they've shared he would feel comfortable enough to refer to him casually.

2) I didn't understand the scene involving the betrayel of Smeagel at the Forbidden Pool. What happened there?

3) The ring wraith response time is something to be questioned. Frodo stood in front of the wraith for what I estimated to be at least five to ten seconds. I hate it when movies pause for dramatic effect when in actuality Frodo would probably be killed sixteen times over in a period of five to ten seconds.

4) The battle of Helms Deep really bothered me. They blew a gigantic hole in the wall, plenty of room for full infiltration of the entire orc army, yet when day broke you could see thousands still outside the wall. What were they doing? Hanging out? Singing campfire songs? Also, it started raining, yet the torches from the orcs were still burning.

Other than that, I adored this film.

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12-27-2002, 06:37 AM

I have a question about the first one...

Gandalf escapes from Christopher Lee in the first film by calling a giant bird, right? Well, why doesn't he just call up some more of those birds and he and the Fellowship can ride back Mt. Doom in style, and ABOVE all the damn Orcs chasing them on the ground?

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kc7586

12-27-2002, 03:40 PM

i've yet to see it, this is torture, i haven't had the time, but will see it before the year is out! i will damn you!

TooCute

12-27-2002, 05:00 PM

drudge jr's synopsis
of the lord of the rings: the
twin towers

Ouch. What movie did YOU
see?

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12-27-2002, 06:38 PM

http://users3.ev1.net/~eekfr
enzy/captionspage/badfotrc
aptionsx.html

Funny stuff. At least for you
real LotR fans.

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12-28-2002, 12:57 PM

Answer me, dammit!!! Why didn't they just all fly on giant birds to Mt. Doom?!?

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bigbaldirish

12-28-2002, 01:14 PM

Sam calles Frodo, Mr. Frodo...

I'm a big fantasy fan, and reading the books, in "the Shire" Mr. before a persons name is a term of extreme friendship, the other pieces i can't tell you from what you saw in the movie, considering i haven't seen it yet

Se7en

12-28-2002, 07:09 PM

Then, even though you got to play along, how does one man swing a 20-30lb sword for hours on end, killing if not hundreds of trained killers that are three times his size. The battle scenes become a "bit much" to swallow.
Then in the beginning the three were running for several days, nonstop? I can't buy into it man!

This just makes me laugh.

I mean, really. You're watching a movie with scary monsters, evil goblin-men & orc warriors, about magic and sorcery and all sorts of fantastical stuff that only exists in books....and it's the fact that they're wielding heavy swords for so long that defies your ability to suspend your disbelief.

No offense, but you seem to me the type of guy who would criticize Star Wars because the starfighters make noises when they explode ("But space is a vaccuum! There's no sound in space!!!").

I absolutely loved the film, and I'd just like to give a big shout-out to Andy Serkis & the folks at WETA for making Gollum / Smeagol into a REAL character.

Answer me, dammit!!! Why didn't they just all fly on giant birds to Mt. Doom?!?

Probably because the book would have only been about 20 pages long, and the movies maybe around 10 minutes total.

Yeah, they could have all flown on eagles, but then that's pretty much be the end of the story and we'd all be deprived of 3 of the greatest novels of ALL TIME, not to mention 3 sweet fim adaptations of those books.

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12-29-2002, 05:47 AM

Probably because the book would have only been about 20 pages long, and the movies maybe around 10 minutes total.

Yeah, they could have all flown on eagles, but then that's pretty much be the end of the story and we'd all be deprived of 3 of the greatest novels of ALL TIME, not to mention 3 sweet fim adaptations of those books

So that just makes it even more frustrating, because Sean Bean didn't have to die. Gandalf's an asshole.

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12-29-2002, 09:37 AM

There eagls are sort of
similar to th ents in that
they're a part of the world,
but separate. Like the ents
with Isengard, they came
out at the end for the battle
of the Pelennor. They have
helped a few times in the
past too, but not very many.
The current third age
eagles are way puny (just
compare Gwaihir to
Thorondur). I imagine if they
had just tried to fly into
Mordor, the flying Nazgul
etc. would have gotten
them.

But you are thinking far too
hard about it all, really.

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12-29-2002, 10:19 AM

But you are thinking far too
hard about it all, really.

Not really. It was a semi-logical train of thought. I see Gandalf escape on a giant bird. I then see the Fellowship marching back to Mt. Doom, sometimes complaining about the long, treacherous and roundabout way to it. I then see the group stranded in a Dwarf city, Gandalf "die", the group attacked by Orcs, and Sean Bean get his assed handed to him. All things that could have been avoided if they just flew. Not even all the way, if they can't fly to Mt. Doom, but they still could have avoided the mountains. Feh.

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JerryTaker

12-30-2002, 08:48 PM

All things that could have been avoided if they just flew.

This has almost become a running gag by nitpickers since the books were first published.
TooCute explained it as it was alluded to in the books, plus Gwahir helped Gandalf in The Hobbit, too. He's like a lifeline; Plus Sauron would know Gwahir, and if he saw him coming with Gandalf on his back, he would have sent anything that could comprehend the concept of "up" at them, including nine nazgul on fellbeasts. The whole point is, you need someone that the enemy would see as "insignificant" to do the job, and Gwahir, (or any of those eagles) are far from insignificant..

And as for the "Mr. Frodo" Sam works for the Bagginses, he's Bag End's gardener, so although Frodo is his friend, he's also his employer.

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12-30-2002, 09:19 PM

I'm so confused. Is Viggo supposed to be Jesus or what? It's all too Biblical for me...

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12-31-2002, 09:19 AM

i fially saw it, and it was incredable!! the elf is hotter than ever and sam and frodo seem to be progressing in their "relationship." they had their first fight and make-up, but that slut golum seems to want in on the action, he was stroking his precious(frodo's arm) very enthusiasticly. :)

Johnny4

01-01-2003, 01:24 PM

Saw it, liked it. If you didn't read the books, don't bother seeing this one.

SoccerMom

01-01-2003, 01:31 PM

I so loved this movie. I thought it stayed as true to the book as possible without being 5 hours long. Still, it is a lengthy flick so those of you with any bladder control issues might be advised to steer clear of the super jumbo sized soda- I didn't and nearly peed myself, I was so afraid I'd miss something!

HordeKing1

01-02-2003, 01:28 PM

Fantastic movie. It parallelled the book, but of course didn't follow it exactly. The battle at Helms Deep (really cool) got a bit too much attention, and the attack on Sauraman's Tower too little.

Shebob, was in the 2nd book, but won't appear until the 3rd movie. Gollum referred obliquely to her.

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01-02-2003, 05:25 PM

Shebob, was in the 2nd book, but won't appear until the 3rd movie. Gollum referred obliquely to her. 
Oh my god! I can't WAIT to see Shelob! That's going to kick ass! 
Hell, the third movie is just going to rule! These films are getting better and better. 
The tough thing is realizing that when all is said and done, I'll have three dvd versions of each film at least - regular edition, extended edition and then, when it comes out, boxed set of all three. 

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01-02-2003, 06:02 PM

The tough thing is realizing that when all is said and done, I'll have three dvd versions of each film at least - regular edition, extended edition and then, when it comes out, boxed set of all three.

What the 'eff. It's not crack, stumblenuts.

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TooCute

01-02-2003, 08:36 PM

What the 'eff. It's not
crack, stumblenuts.

Yes it is.

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01-02-2003, 08:37 PM

But seriously, why buy the "regular" edition if you KNOW a "super" edition will be coming out a month or two later?

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Reiko Hidama

01-03-2003, 03:00 PM

I bought the special edition but now I want the regular to see it without the deleted slip ups like the car neer the scarecrow. Oh also so that I can remember how the battles where different, when they were without the added angles and such. 

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01-03-2003, 06:02 PM

What the 'eff. It's not crack, stumblenuts.

You're right. It's a way better rush than crack, plus without the whole anorexic look.

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01-03-2003, 06:08 PM

You're right. It's a way better rush than crack, plus without the whole anorexic look.

But twice as pale and sickly-looking.

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INFOSTUD

01-03-2003, 06:12 PM

I saw it. It kicks ass!!! I especially liked the way they did Gollum and the dialog he had. It was true to the book.

I am definitely looking forward to installment three: The Return of the King

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01-03-2003, 06:21 PM

Too Cute if Attack of the Clones sucked your ass, then I'd love to be Attack of the Clones any day. Attack of the Clones was very weak. I had hoped for better; it actually made The Phantom Menace look good. Only good scene in Clones was the Jedi Knight battle in the Arena. Lasersaber battles always kick ass; they never suck ass. 

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01-03-2003, 06:44 PM

I have been wondering this ever since I saw the FOTR.

John Rhyes-Davies who plays the Dwarf, is a large man. How did they get him to appear so "dwarfish" when standing next to the elves and Humans?? Same With Frodo and Rudy. They are full sized people in real life, yet in the movie they appear very small and child-like. Just look at the scene in FOTR when the fellowship is gathered together at Rivendale before they depart. How the heck did Jackson pull this off so well?? Its amazing.

TTT was amazing. I have heard on other forums that In the Beginning of ROTK we will see Gandalf and the Ents trap Sauroman in the Tower and destroy his staff and "seeing stone", and banish him from the order of "Maiar"

I also wish they explained better why the Elfs are leaving Middle Earth. I know they are returning to the place that they and the Maiar dwell, but is it in "Middle Earth", or in another dimension?

Funny. My father has read all 3 books in the past, yet hates the films.

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01-04-2003, 09:56 AM

John Rhyes-Davies who plays the Dwarf, is a large man. How did they get him to appear so "dwarfish" when standing next to the elves and Humans?? Same With Frodo and Rudy. They are full sized people in real life, yet in the movie they appear very small and child-like. Just look at the scene in FOTR when the fellowship is gathered together at Rivendale before they depart. How the heck did Jackson pull this off so well?? Its amazing.

Some of it was done with computers, but a lot of it was just done with forced perspective - using camera angles and varying distances to make the big actors seem smaller, etc. By using camera angles and having the actors stand apart, you avoid having the problem with visible cgi edges and the like.

I also wish they explained better why the Elfs are leaving Middle Earth. I know they are returning to the place that they and the Maiar dwell, but is it in "Middle Earth", or in another dimension?

Aman - the continent to which the Elves are returning also known as the Undying Lands - used to be part of the real world. However, at the end of the second age, the men of the island nation Numenor (who had become corrupted by Sauron) sent a huge army to Aman to make war on the Valar (the gods) and the other inhabitants of Aman. This caused the ''Change of the World'' where the flat earth was turned into a globe, Numenor was sunk into the sea, and Aman was removed from the globe. As such, it can only be reached by the magical boats of the Elves, which are the only vessels capable of travelling on the ''straight road'' to Aman, whereas all other ships remain on the curved lines of the globe.

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FMJeff

01-06-2003, 10:24 AM

And as for the "Mr. Frodo" Sam works for the Bagginses, he's Bag End's gardener, so although Frodo is his friend, he's also his employer.

Still, the relationship has gone beyond subserviance...it seems a little weird. If i was on a life and death journey with my boss/friend, I would not call him Mister.

Not a big deal.

Also, Mojopin, I agree with previous comments. Like any aerial assault, birds of that size would be seen coming a mile away and defenses would be scrambled immediately. However, I would have proposed using the birds to at least to drop them off close to Mordor. It would've saved a lot of time.

You'll find inconsistencies in any movie, but bear in mind the simplest explanation for all of them: maybe the characters didn't even consider that idea. You might have proposed that if you were in that situation, but maybe the thought never even crossed thier minds. It's easy in hindsight to say I would've done this, but who knows, you know?

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01-06-2003, 11:55 AM

You'll find inconsistencies in any movie, but bear in mind the simplest explanation for all of them: maybe the characters didn't even consider that idea. You might have proposed that if you were in that situation, but maybe the thought never even crossed thier minds. It's easy in hindsight to say I would've done this, but who knows, you know?

It just frustrates me, because the character I enjoyed the most, and was most fascinated with, was Sean Bean's, and he'd probably still be alive if someone had put down all the damn pipe weed and thought of the birds. I've only seen the extended version, where supposedly Bean has a lot more screentime, but I enjoyed him the most because his character seemed to really be the only one that was truly flawed, yet was struggling to what was right for his people while also trying to to do right by everyone else in the world who was threatened by the ring.

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JerryTaker

01-06-2003, 11:57 AM

John Rhyes-Davies who plays the Dwarf, is a large man. How did they get him to appear so "dwarfish" when standing next to the elves and Humans??

Rhyes-Davies is actually about the right size taller than Elijiah Wood, et.al. that a Dwarf would be taller than a hobbit, so it works out in one way.

The commentary tracks on the extended edition gives a lot of insight into the size/perspective issues and how they were worked out, with one of the hardest scenes to do being where Ian McKellan gives Ian Holm his staff and hat..

(and no jokes about McKellan having no problem giving Holm his staff!)

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Bill From Yorktown

01-06-2003, 12:06 PM

the forced perspective worked better than some of the actual blue screen shots (like the 2 hobbits running under a horse). btw rhyes davies stole the show comedy wise in this one - from not being able to see over the wall, to "dwarf tossing" - he was a riot.

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PeteSchwetty

01-06-2003, 12:24 PM

TTT was great and although I can't wait for ROTK it promises to be a very long movie because there's still a lot of things that have to happen.

canofsoup15

01-06-2003, 12:28 PM

I dont care for Gimli that much, seldom times hes funny but the rest of it is basically useless, he never really did anything til the end of TTT, which i thought was great by the way.

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TooCute

01-06-2003, 05:07 PM

However, at the end
of the second age, the men
of the island nation
Numenor (who had
become corrupted by
Sauron) sent a huge army
to Aman to make war on the
Valar (the gods) and the
other inhabitants of Aman.

Not all of them. The 'faithful'
who sailed to the mainland
(Elendil, Isildur, all those
guys) founded what later
became Gondor were
Numenoreans as well.

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01-06-2003, 05:14 PM

Not all of them. The 'faithful'
who sailed to the mainland
(Elendil, Isildur, all those
guys) founded what later
became Gondor were
Numenoreans as well.

You're right, TooCute - there were some Numenoreans who stayed good and didn't make war on the Valar. Hence Aragorn is of Numenorean descent, being the last of Isildur's line. Sorry for leaving this out or making it unclear - I was being really cursory in my explanation for space issues.

he'd probably still be alive if someone had put down all the damn pipe weed and thought of the birds.

About all of this eagle discussion, keep in mind that the people would have to ASK the eagles. The eagles are more forces of nature - they don't always help out. I mean, sure they were helpful in the Hobbit, and they did aid Gandalf several times. But, that doesn't mean that they would fly into Mordor to destroy the ring. It's quite possible that they would have refused even if they were asked.

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Justice4all

01-06-2003, 08:32 PM

But seriously, why buy the "regular" edition if you KNOW a "super" edition will be coming out a month or two later?

So do what I did...buy the video for like 9.99 and wait for the re-release to buy it on DVD.

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TheGameHHH

01-06-2003, 10:33 PM

I watched the FOTR like a week
ago and then finally got
around to catching TT tonight.
All I can say is these movies
are fucking incredible.

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TooCute

01-06-2003, 10:45 PM

Hey HHH, when are you
going to get your own
sigpic??

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Justice4all

01-06-2003, 11:54 PM

Oh my god! I can't WAIT to see Shelob! That's going to kick ass!

Hell, the third movie is just going to rule! These films are getting better and better.
Well Peter Jackson sure knew what he was doing. I think the word visionary sure applies here. I do not think anyone could have gotten the vision we all seemed to have when reading the book as close as he did for the big screen. As he has said in interviews....each picture will be larger and better then the last one. So far so good. If you think the Battle of Helms Deep was something...I cannot WAIT for the Battle of Gondor.
But Shelob better not look anything like the spider in Harry Potter or I will be VERY disappointed. (which I doubt I will be)

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Justice4all

01-07-2003, 12:00 AM

John Rhyes-Davies who plays the Dwarf, is a large man. How did they get him to appear so "dwarfish" when standing next to the elves and Humans??
I have seen him being interviewed for the movie recently...he lost a CONSIDERABLE amount of weight.
He looks totally differnt then when he was in Sliders and the Indiana Jones films.
I sure hope it was the workout he got from the movie and does not have some illness we are being kept secret about. (Yes he looked THAT thin)

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angrymissy

01-07-2003, 07:15 AM

I finally saw this last night.

I would like like to announce that Legolas is my boyfriend.

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JerryTaker

01-07-2003, 09:02 AM

Shelob better not look anything like the spider in Harry Potter or I will be VERY disappointed.

Knowing very little about Hairy Pot-head, It bothers me that the limey bitch, Rowlings put a fight with a giant spider in her second book...

Was her spider giving praise to a misunderstood pig?

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TooCute

01-07-2003, 10:32 AM

I would like like to
announce that Legolas is
my boyfriend.

Great! you can double date
with me and Aragorn!

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01-07-2003, 12:19 PM

First TooCute, kiss my butt. Secondly, I asked ADF to make me a sig pic involving Chairman Kaga and that is what he gave me, any complaints you can take it up with him. 

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EffMeBoobs

01-07-2003, 12:44 PM

I would like like to announce that Legolas is my boyfriend.

I've had Legolas dreams everyday since I saw the movie 2 weeks ago. Although I saw a pic of him on IMDB with short hair; let's just say he looks way hotter with the long dreads.

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TheMojoPin

01-07-2003, 02:01 PM

Secondly, I asked ADF to make me a sig pic involving Chairman Kaga and that is what he gave me, any complaints you can take it up with him.

Can't we have both? Without TooCute's, the massively funny jokes in HHH's sigpic are lost to us all...

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angrymissy

01-07-2003, 07:32 PM

Although I saw a pic of him on IMDB with short hair: let's just say he looks way hotter with the long dreads.

yea, he's not that hot in real life - somethin about the hair and the bow ahhhhhhhh

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TooCute

01-07-2003, 09:14 PM

Hell no, Orlando Bloom is
DEFINITELY hotter in real
life.

I did see him awfully close
with a faggy looking guy,
though...

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Friday

01-08-2003, 07:36 AM

I would like like to announce that Legolas is my boyfriend.

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01-08-2003, 07:59 AM

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01-08-2003, 05:19 PM

After seeing both fliks I am a Lord Of The Rings junkie now. I really am sorry I never read the books back in the day. Is there anywhere online where I could get a brief synopsis of what was excluded in the movies??? I know from my friends who read the books that certain characters and things were excluded in the movies.

Gmann, if you're a true junkie now, you'll go out and get the books and read them. :)

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01-09-2003, 11:02 AM

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angrymissy

01-09-2003, 11:21 AM

I am going to purchase a poster of Legolas and hang it on my ceiling.

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Patches

01-09-2003, 08:05 PM

I just got back from seeing this flick. And yes it was awesome. A few points though:

I don't think we should be worrying about swinging swords that are too heavy. I mean, D and D wise, we're talking about Dwarf Fighter, Elf Fighter, and Human Ranger all at least Level 16.

As for some of Jeffs qualms:

1) It really annoys me when Sam calles Frodo, Mr. Frodo. Mister is a pronoun used in formal or professional relationships, not between friends. I do remember Sam referring to Frodo without it. I don't know if this was in the book, but it really confused me as to the relationship between Frodo and Samwise. Are they friends? I would think after the experiences they've shared he would feel comfortable enough to refer to him casually.

2) I didn't understand the scene involving the betrayel of Smeagel at the Forbidden Pool. What happened there?

4) The battle of Helms Deep really bothered me. They blew a gigantic hole in the wall, plenty of room for full infiltration of the entire orc army, yet when day broke you could see thousands still outside the wall. What were they doing? Hanging out? Singing campfire songs?

I think Sam was Frodo's gardener. Not to mention, Frodo had the ring, so he was in charge.

Frodo was allowed to go down to the pool and save Smeagel. Smeagel was suspicious of Frodo but trusted him anyway. When the humans captured Smeagel, Smeagel believed Frodo led him into a trap.

Though it was a large hole in the wall, there is only so many that can fit through at one time. Plus they really aren't that bright.

Finally, Smeagel/ Golem reminds me of my roommate. bipolar little shit.

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01-10-2003, 04:10 AM

I think Sam was Frodo's gardener. Not to mention, Frodo had the ring, so he was in charge.

more importantly Frodo was most likely dominant in bed.... and sam enjoyed this, oh yes he did.

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Reiko Hidama

01-10-2003, 10:44 PM

I first saw the TTT the day before it came out at 10:30 ish and well I never realised how long it was, I have just recently downloaded it off Kazaa and I am watching it now. 3 parts, and from what I can tell you someone did a really good cam on it. I've only noticed so far a slight clicking sound during the Grima/Eomer conversation. All I can say is tommarow I will watch my Special Edition Fellowship version, then plop down infront of my comp and watch TTT, should be cool. Oh you should download it, it's worth it for checking on little slipups and for getting quotes and such. I know I'm nuts, don't blame me. Blame it on my cousin, she dropped me on my head.
Oh and if you didn't know(Doubt it) download DivX player to watch it.

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