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10-26-2002, 07:43 AM

I had an unfortunate thing happen to me yesterday. I live in Manhattan, in the west 60s. I was walking home, thinking about how I had to go to the ATM and get some dinner, past the playground in the middle of my block. There were a bunch of kids there from the adjoining projects. There tend to be people over there a lot so it wasn't unusual, and I've never really had any problems before.

So I was going past them and looking down towards the ground. I noticed a shadow kinda coming up behind me. At this point, in retrospect, I should have done something, whether run a bit to get out of the way, or ducked or something, but for some reason,
maybe bravado, maybe naivity, I didn't.

So suddenly I feel myself get hit in the side of the head. I'm not sure by what, whether it was a hand or what, but now my head's hurting and my ear is ringing. The kids hanging there all start laughing at whitey and I quickly walk over to the office at the bottom of my building. At this point, I'm not really sure if I'm bleeding and what not, so I just wanted to get somewhere more secure. As I'm going there, another kid comes around and either tries to hit me or take a guitar, but I brush him off pretty easily.

I get to the office and they call the cops. After that, it's pretty boring. I'm fine, just a little sore. The cops comes and talks to the kids, but can't really do much else, since that would require me to go over and pick the kid who hit me out of the group, and I really have no idea who it was. On the other hand, sending all the little delinquents to the police station might teach them a lesson. But I decided not to stir the pot anymore.

The whole incident has pissed me off more than anything. For one, there's little I can do. Certainly, I could gone back at the kid and swung at him with my guitar (I had the Les Paul, which is heavy and solid and which could easily kill someone if swung), but that would have had me being arrested, no doubt. In any case, although they were probably mostly 10-12 years old, one against 15 is never good odds.

I'm mad at myself for not reacting better when I thought it might be coming, but then living in the city is a constant tightrope act. Do I now start avoiding all black boys I see? Do I run if I think one is walking near me?

I'm mostly angry cause this just makes me more bitter towards helping the black community. I know obviously that it's just a few kids and not all African-Americsna that attacked me. On the other hand, and I can't say for sure obviously, but I don't feel like this would have happened if it had been a group of white kids or asian kids.

And to think I donated to the community after school program fund. :)

I was planning to move anyway. Still, I've enjoyed living over here and I hope this incident doesn't ruin that. I also hope there aren't anymore incidents...

Katylina

10-26-2002, 08:01 AM

Oh I'm so sorry about that. That's really fucked up. You reacted correctly. I hope your head is feeling better. :(

Do I now start avoiding all black boys I see? Do I run if I think one is walking near me?

Especially avoid the ones who are trying to sell you M&M's. I always run when I see them.

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fatty

10-26-2002, 08:02 AM

hey brother, i'm sorry to hear that happened. i'm glad you're alright though and that it didn't turn out much worse.

i know you're probably still emotionaly about the whole thing but i think you should realize this is more the case of punk kids rahter than the black community. i know it doesn't help when they are black, and in instances like this i too become the most racist person on earth. if a little chinese lady cuts me off you can be sure every filthy chinese obscentiy that can be said has been said.

but you can't hold it against everyone, it's hard not to, but think about all the other times you walked home without incident. last night you just happened to run into the wrong group of assholes.

anyways i'm glad you're alright budday and i know it all sucked but at least it's over now. and i wouldnt' waste a les paul on those assholes, they're not worth it. but if you can just chalk it up as a shitty night,and try not to sweat it. but if you have problems again,it's time to give me a call and i'll help you fuck some shit up.

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ADF

10-26-2002, 08:08 AM

Ouch, that sucks. If it makes you feel any better, I would've done the same thing. Maybe I just like to assume the best in people. I wouldn't feel bad for being a good person. Random, hateful things happen on occasion.

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10-26-2002, 08:09 AM

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10-26-2002, 08:20 AM

best outlet for this experience would be a song.

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Jackie Sloan

10-26-2002, 08:27 AM

Sorry to hear this, obviously it sucks big time. Hope you're feeling ok, try not to let this ruin the fact that you're a good man trying to do the right thing. Rest up, stay strong. Peace.

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10-26-2002, 08:48 AM

So its safe to safe they took you down.... frighty fright style

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ADF

10-26-2002, 08:50 AM

On the plus side, put a band-aid on the side of your head and you can go as Nelly to the party.

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A.J.

10-26-2002, 08:55 AM

I'm sorry that happened to you. I know how you feel. I was held up at gunpoint in front of my apartment and at knifepoint at an ATM when I was in college. Your first reaction is to lash out at an entire group but after you calm down you realize you should only be angered by the actions of a few. Fortunately you weren't seriously hurt and nothing was taken. All you can do is be more careful and attentive when you're walking the streets.

I recommend you see a doctor just to be sure that ringing in your ears is temporary.

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TheMojoPin

10-26-2002, 09:19 AM

You mean someone came up and smacked you in the back of the GRILL? I smell Greek...

Seriously though, I'm glad to hear you're ultimately OK. That punk'll get his, whoever he was...

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Gvac

10-26-2002, 09:29 AM

Wow. This is really awful. Sorry to hear about it, Krikor, and I hope you're OK.

Next time just hand over the Les Paul and go buy a Fender, as I've been advising you for quite some time now.

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silera

10-26-2002, 09:30 AM

Bottom line is, whether the kid was 10, crippled, retarded, deaf, dumb and blind, you should have clocked him.

I'm glad it ended at that, and I know that in the situation so many things are going through your mind that it's hard to know what to do.

Just me though, I don't care if a chinese grandma hits me, I'm decking her.

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GaryWyze

10-26-2002, 10:26 AM

That sucks and you're totally entitled to feel everything you're feeling. It doesn't make you racist, it makes you human.

And of course you're gonna engage in the "what ifs" and "should haves" now, but in retrospect whatelse could you have done? Stand there fighting with a gang of 10 to 12 ten to twelve year olds? Fine if you're Steven Segal and in a movie, but in the real world you would've either went down (possibly for good), or just looked like a total retard.

I'm mostly angry cause this just makes me more bitter towards helping the black community. I know obviously that it's just a few kids and not all African-Americsna that attacked me. On the other hand, and I can't say for sure obviously, but I don't feel like this would have happened if it had been a group of white kids or asian kids.

Let's get real, it wouldn't have. There in lies the reason why you've donated money to help black kids, and not asian or irish kids.

Right now you're hurt, and angry, and scared, and vengeful, and perhaps even embarrassed... all natural reactions, and you're going to go through a period of post traumatic stress.

And yeah, the experience will probably even jade you a bit, but in time you'll come to see it for what it was; an unforunate and isolated incident that is sadly just part of life in the big city.

Glad you weren't more seriously hurt!

Aggie

10-26-2002, 10:40 AM

On the plus side, put a band-aid on the side of your head and you can go as Nelly to the party

LMAO

I'm sorry to hear that :( I hope you are doing better.

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RF Godfather

10-26-2002, 12:26 PM

Geesh, sorry to hear that Krikor. Hope you're doing much better. That's mighty f'ed up. Well at least they didn't do anything else.

Get mad, that's alright. But don't let this cloud you're whole judgment on the black community.

Next time you're walking the block, bring a few of the board members like me, I have no shame, I'll knock a kid around :)

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10-26-2002, 03:33 PM

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FUNKMAN

10-26-2002, 03:44 PM

don't let yourself go sour on the whole race...
judge people as individuals and just be more cautious in the future...
don't "beat yourself up" over it or let it hurt your pride or ego... they're the one's who will make nothing of their lives and not learn from their experience...
I took a beaten from 6 or 7 black guys and was just thankful i didn't get too torn up...and i "learned" never to venture into a strange apt building for a nickel of weed...

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mozfan

10-26-2002, 03:50 PM

Sorry to hear of the attack!

You know what, though? If it was white kids or asian kids, the sad thing is, they WOULD attack you!

Whites and hispanics and Asians are doing it too, not just black people. It's more to do with the culture of crime (ie rap, movies, TV), as far as I'm concerned.

Kids are fucking brazen little cunts, these days.

For that reason I would also advise not fighting them. You don't know whose got a cheap gun hidden away at his mom's apartment just waiting for a reason to use it on some "cracker."

I would also try to move away from the projects. I would try my damnedest not to move to a bad area. Seriously. A lot of my friends have suggested my moving in manhattan when I get a job, but for the first while I will saty here in NJ. Until I can move to a decent area of Manhattan, provided their still is one with Bloomberg seemingly forgetting about the Guiliani quality of life issues.

Tall_James

10-26-2002, 04:12 PM

I'm glad to hear that you're OK and its a damn shame that you were attacked. I know the area where it happened Krikor, I live about 7 blocks away. Believe me, these aren't the kids from "Fame" hanging out on these street corners. A couple of years in Juvee are in order....

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irishguyinya

10-26-2002, 04:33 PM

If you watch the news at all you would notice that they never really report on the "small crimes" any more. The reason for that is because it happens to everyone, every hour ,every day and will never stop. You can point your finger at this or blame that,but the fact is that prison mentality has hit home and that is what we have to deal with. I'm sorry this happened to you. Tomorrow is another day.

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BrooklynLiveCam

10-26-2002, 05:00 PM

Sorry to hear it 42. It's probably time you join the many people who carry an illegal weapon. It's pretty much winter time so the heavier jackets can conceal better. Goodluck, it's a cruel world and the only things that fights violence is more violence.

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10-26-2002, 05:07 PM

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10-26-2002, 08:05 PM

im armenian too..well 1/2

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shorty

10-26-2002, 08:15 PM

I'm sorry they attacked you, but I got your back...I know I'm that big, but I scare Silera and I think I scare you too. I'll get them for you!!!

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blakjeezis

10-26-2002, 08:34 PM

Wow, man, that sucks big time. Seriously. At least you weren't hurt too bad though. I'm really sorry that happened.

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10-26-2002, 09:13 PM

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GirLieBatchXoX

10-26-2002, 09:25 PM

oooooh hell NO!.. even if I'm out-numbered, I would've dropped my guitar and started swinging!!.. I'll end up in the ISU for fighting a gang, but I won't go down w/o some punches!

P.S. How's the ouchie?

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spoon

10-26-2002, 11:21 PM

Hey brother, just be glad it wasn't worse and learn from the experience. I used to work in East Orange and Newark and never let my guard down (for obvious reasons), yet never let it jade my vision that most of the peeps in town simply didn't have money. I met a ton of great kids, still some were straight pricks. Not much different from those rich pricks I grew up with in all white neighborhoods. Just a different style of ass!

All in all, always be on your toes, but don't let a few dicks set your views. Next time, get at least one good shot in!

Oh yeah, get that fucking band back in order. Start by limiting Mikey D's drum stick supply!

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10-26-2002, 11:33 PM

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Aggie

10-27-2002, 10:42 AM

Call me a racist, I don't care, but black people are the worst. Don't even waste your time or money on them, Krikor. They have habitually let themselves and the rest of the world down.

Uh, that's pretty racist and a horrible attitude to have.

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El Mudo

10-27-2002, 12:00 PM

i got robbed by two black people once...took my nine dollars on the way to school...

still waiting to get it back from the state of maryland..

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legroommusic

10-27-2002, 12:14 PM

Be grad that your eyebrow is still in tact.

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Cybersoldier

10-27-2002, 12:16 PM

What you did was okay, but if you had the chance to hit the guy that punched you, then take the shot. Sorry what happened to you man, get better.

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10-27-2002, 12:37 PM

I feel bad for you and if you want a can show you a few self defends move so if it happens again you can kick soome ass.

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10-27-2002, 04:07 PM

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silera

10-27-2002, 06:19 PM

...I know I'm that big, but I scare Silera and I think I scare you too. I'll get them for you!!!

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FMJeff

10-27-2002, 07:21 PM

42nd-delay

10-27-2002, 08:14 PM

Thanks to all those who sympathized and wished me well. It's nice to see that there are those ready to take on some punk kids with me - please be aware I may be e-mailing you to form a little posse of our own if things go downhill...:)

But seriosuly, as I reflect on this, I realize that what I've come away from this with is not a feeling that all blacks are bad, but that I can't give a black male the benefit of the doubt anymore. If I had asumed the worst on Friday, I most likely wouldn't have been assaulted. I don't like feeling this way, but it seems like right now I have to. This was a pretty minor incident, and it was just a kid, and I wasn't really hurt (mild concussion), but it makes a person think.

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10-27-2002, 09:07 PM

TheMojoPin

10-27-2002, 09:08 PM

Well the world can be a pretty horrible place sometimes. I prefer to call it realistic.

Hey, he said we could call him a racist. Done and done.

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10-27-2002, 10:31 PM

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TheMojoPin

10-28-2002, 06:53 AM

Are people still having their logins jacked? Because then this might make some sense and not be retarded.

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The Blowhard

10-28-2002, 12:01 PM

Don't edit my posts! Have a spine. Stand by what you post.

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FMJeff

10-28-2002, 12:21 PM

Never got one before.

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10-28-2002, 12:46 PM

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schmega

10-28-2002, 12:47 PM

sorry to hear you got attacked, krikor. and i think you have the right mindset now. its a rough world, and most people dont deserve the benefit of a doubt. contrary to what we've all been taught, sometimes you really can judge a book by its cover. a group of teenage boys who all look poor and ugly will very likely attack you. it doesnt even matter what race they are. whether they're white, asian, hispanic, or black, if they're in a group, and they're loud, and crude, and unkept, ASSUME THE WORST and keep your distance.

in our crowded society, you just have to expect that there are some among us who cant act civilized.

bboxer

10-28-2002, 01:02 PM

I am reading this book on ciminology, and they were discussing why blacks have such a high rate of crime compaed to other races, and the conclusion was that its not a born trait but just a result from the fact that blacks have a higher percentage of ppl in the lower class. 

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10-28-2002, 01:04 PM

that sucks Krikor and hope ya feel better, as for the other stuff said in the thread, im not sure how i should react to this.

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10-28-2002, 01:48 PM

the conclusion was that its not a born trait but just a result from the fact that blacks have a higher percentage of ppl in the lower class.

LOL, there's a whole book on that?? I think I'm going to write a book with the conclusion that hitting one's self in the head with a hammer might cause concusions.

SERIOUSLY, it's short-sighted to react to a event like this -- however horrible it must have been for you, Krikor -- with the attitude that some people have taken in this thread. It's easy to say "blacks are the worst" or "I'm no longer going to give black people the benefit of the doubt. But, does that solve the problem? Does that make it any better? Absolutely not. If anything, events like this inspire me to get even more involved.

Krikor, you lamented the fact that you had donated to an after-school program. After something like this, you shouldn't try to get your check back but rather double your donation. Better yet, volunteer your time. The plain fact is, kids with money and something to do don't throw bricks at people.

Crime and Violence is a economic issue, not a racial one. In America and in the world. The problem with Americans is that they think curing violence is a reactive process, not a preventative one:

Our government supports hand-gun ownership so citizens can react to crime, rather than thinking maybe if we severely limit the amount of guns in our country there will be less violence to begin with.

We are attacked by Muslim extremesists and our President's response is to bomb the fuck out of IRAQ, thus perpetuating the cycle of violence instead of maybe trying to use the extensive economic might of the US to try to remedy some of the poverty, government corruption, and just plain hunger that leads people to turn to terrorism.

Whites flee a city or area once the blacks start to move in, taking their money and their businesses with them, then complain once the place goes completely to crap that it's all the black people's fault.

Instead of turning our back on a problem, we should face it and try to fix it. If you are fed up with youth crime in your city, coach a little league team. If you are afraid to walk down your street, eat at the local restaurants, go to the local bars, and bring your friends and bring your money.

Don't take the easy road and just use racial prejudice as a crutch.

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HordeKing1

10-28-2002, 02:40 PM

42nd-Delay - It sounds to me like you've had a very reasonable and healthy reaction to a traumatizing event. Being a victim of a violent crime is very scary. Feeling guilty "for not reacting better" is very common. But you cannot control others actions. You did what you did and it worked b/c you're here to tell the tale.

You ask if you should start avoiding all black boys you see? "Do I run if I think one is walking near me?" This is also a very normal short term reaction. You're trying to make sense out of a senseless act of violence and it's no surprise that in so doing you attempt to put things in terms of (no pun intended) black and white.

Even while doing this, you put it into admirable perspective. You wrote "I know obviously that it's just a few kids and not all African-Americans attacked me."

This shows that you recognize that the group isn't responsible, it's the individuals involved. It's also a great tribute to your character that you're angry because it "just makes me more bitter towards helping the black community." Not many people would be able to think in these terms after a violent attack.

You question whether this would have happened if the kids had been Asian or white. Of course it could have. There a bad blacks, bad whites, bad wasps, bad asians, etc. On the other hand there is good in most groups too. Like Dan wrote above, the enormous prevelance of crime in the black community is not genetic but a product of the social environment and the individual him or herself.

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vegeta

10-28-2002, 05:04 PM

You know why you got attacked? It's because you had the word I FEEL SCARED OF BLACK KIDS spelled across your face.

Your head was down and you walked as fast as you could to avoid confrontation.

Do you think everyone in your neighborhood was terrorized by these black kids? I bet if you took a survey of all the people in the area, they'd say your neighborhood's a safe place to live.

As for the whole "Am I a racist?" thing, no I don't think you'll be wearing a hood or burning crosses anytime soon.

But, you have the steryotypical view of black people that most new yorkers have. It's how you grew up that made you think this way.

With that being said, YOU LIVE IN MANHATTAN, YOU FAG! Manhattan is probably the safest borough to live in.

Maybe you should widen your circle of friends to include people of other cultures, you puss!

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FMJeff

10-28-2002, 05:27 PM

Don't edit my posts! Have a spine. Stand by what you post.

I do, but apparently its not best for the board that people hear my opinions on this issue.

Have a spine?

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LilLibra

10-28-2002, 05:54 PM

On the other hand you don't feel like this would have happened if it had been a group of white or Asian kids?? This is unbelievable. I mean, I am sorry that a bunch of stupid, ignorant children attacked you. It's certainly something that would bother me if it happened to me. But... this really upsets me. Maybe you're still mad about it, which is why you're retaliating at an entire population of people, but think of what you're saying! Whites, Hispanics, and Asians alike could have done the same thing. Would it have been a color issue then? 
I've dealt with crap from white kids my whole life but because of how I've trained myself to think, I haven't let it affect my feelings toward all white people. That isn't fair to them and its not fair to any culture that has to be pigeon-holed into a category that is only based on stereotypes. 
Automatically when certain races see a bunch of black or Spanish boys, they get antsy. 
What you need to do is reevaluate your thought process. Be upset that this happened to you. Demand justice if you want. But don't allow this incident to make you view black people as a whole race of criminals, gangstas or whatever else you may have thought of before. If you can't bring yourself to do that, then you'll be the one to deal with this anger or fear for the rest of your life and its unnecessary. 


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nycenice

10-28-2002, 06:01 PM

i'm a fellow 6 footer like u 42nd and one thing u gotta know is never look at the floor in front of a gang of anyone! that tells whoever is in front of you you're weak trust me i've been one of the guys looking at the weak looking marks in the street. don't be naive though if u see a group of hispanics or blacks and they don't look like they're up to anything good cross the street! i'm a hispanic i know the rules! noone woulda messed wit you if u had two more peeps wit u. one dude is an easy mark but multiple's are tricky.asian kids wouldn't do that cuase they're afraid of most races unless u come up against a bounch in chinatown they're big talkers on thier own turf. white kids....come on let's be serious here

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vegeta

10-28-2002, 06:25 PM

Oh, I'd also like to advise not to take advice from a retard who can't make a sig pic.

Here's the bottom line:

You know why you're scared of a group of black kids? It's because in America, it's usually non-whites doing the crimes and it's non-whites that you see in the news as criminals and gang members. Am I lying?

And if you've lived in a mostly white world like 42nd delay, you won't really get exposed to educated black people or upper class black people and most of what you'll hear about black people is the negative.

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42nd-delay

10-28-2002, 08:52 PM

You know why you got attacked? It's because you had the word I FEEL SCARED OF BLACK KIDS spelled across your face.
Your head was down and you walked as fast as you could to avoid confrontation.

I should clear things up a bit. It's not like I hurried past them, fear in my eyes, with my head down. I walked past them like I walk past everyone on my street, looking ahead or around, what someone does when they're walking normally. I mentioned that my head was down cause once I had past them, I felt like he was sneaking up on me, and I knew that if I looked down on the ground I would be able to see his shadow on the ground to see if he was. I don't walk around with my head down all the time.
Do you think everyone in your neighborhood was terrorized by these black kids? I bet if you took a survey of all the people in the area, they'd say your neighborhood's a safe place to live.

My nieghborhood is a safe place to live. I didn't mean to blow this out of proportion. My reason for posting was because my neighborhood has been very calm. What happened was a surprising event to me (I wouldn't expect kids so young to attack an innocent passerby for no reason), and because of the feelings it brought out in me. I felt like discussing those feelings here might help me understand them better.
But, you have the steryotypical view of black people that most new yorkers have. It's how you grew up that made you think this way.

I don't really think I do. I certainly didn't have that opinion before, and in fact fought hard in my mind to fight lapsing into believing stereotypes. The point of my post was how this incident effected my thinking. If I had followed the stereotypes and avoided the crowd by walking on the other side of the street, or had just taken a different street to get home, this would likely have not happened. Or if I had been less trusting of them as I passed by, I might have been more ready to avoid being hit. The question is, is that the right thing to do? I feel like it isn't, but getting attacked did make me think twice.
With that being said, YOU LIVE IN MANHATTAN, YOU FAG! Manhattan is probably the safest borough to live in.

Probably, though Staten Island's never seemed too dangerous. I never claimed I lived in an unsafe place.
Maybe you should widen your circle of friends to include people of other cultures, you puss!

It's true that I could have a circle of friends from a wider range of cultures. It's not cause I'm a "puss", though I don't know how being one would relate to that. Are you suggesting I'm afraid of talking to people of other cultures? In any case, I think I've done ok for myself. In elementary and middle school, half of my friends were Korean. Pretty much the other half were Jewish. In college I had friends who were black, Indian, Japanese, Native American and Chinese. My last two roommates have been Jewish. I have friends whose heritage traces back to Lebanon, Palestine, and the Dominican Republic. I'd be happy to become friends with people of other cultures and races, but in our society, groups tend to stick together, and as I meet most of my friends through my current friends. Who I become friends with is pretty much a result of happenstance and fate I suppose.

I want to clear up that I never said that I believed all blacks were bad. This is a ridiculous notion to me; I don't think I have to explain why. But in the aftermath of something like what happened to me on Friday, all kind of things go through your head, things which may even surprise yourself.

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The Blowhard

10-28-2002, 09:01 PM

It's true that I could have a circle of friends from a wider range of cultures. It's not cause I'm a "puss", though I don't know how being one would relate to that. Are you suggesting I'm afraid of talking to people of other cultures? In any case, I think I've done ok for myself. In elementary and middle school, half of my friends were Korean. Pretty much the other half were Jewish. In college I had friends who were black, Indian, Japanese, Native American and Chinese. My last two roommates have been Jewish. I have friends whose heritage traces back to Lebanon, Palestine, and the Dominican Republic. I'd be happy to become friends with people of other cultures and races, but in our society, groups tend to stick together, and as I meet most of my friends through my current friends. Who I become friends with is pretty much a result of happenstance and fate I suppose.

Krikor my friend, you don't have to justify the ethnicity of who you associate with, that's crap. There are good people, there are assholes. They come in all colors.
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spoon

10-29-2002, 01:12 AM

Honestly, the whole thing did get blown out of proportion for "entertainment" purposes. It simply goes down as shit happens and this time to you (be glad it was minor). You can't always be ready for it, but your character is defined as to how you deal with it. As per your last post, it seems you have adapted well.

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vegeta

10-29-2002, 04:02 AM

Beautiful statement, Heckler.

42nd, these were most likely a group of jerk-off kids who wanted to make a joke out of a poor sap. They just happened to be black. When you are a kid, you are crueler than cruel because you feel that there are fewer reprecussions.

You were targeted most likely because of the way you carry yourself. You were probably hunched over, tired from wherever you were coming from. Add the fact that you didn't want any trouble, and boom! Instant victim.

If you think about it, these kids are probably feeling shittier than you. People who bully do so in order to feel like they have power, because in their own homes they are powerless.

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mrgibson

10-29-2002, 09:33 AM

Hey Krikor - first post here! I heard Ron and Fez ragging on you last night (I don't know if the show was live - I am in DC and used to only catch the show when driving through NY - BTW, Welcome to DC Ron and Fez - we love you here!), and I don't think they were totally fair with you, though their points, and those of some of the other posters, are well taken. Hold your head up dude. I heard you on the radio and you sounded pretty, well, timid. If you are going to get your ass kicked, might as well do with your head up - and the odds are in your favor if you don't look scared. AND . . . the poster who said that you shouldn't walk alone is right. Two or more would have been your best defense, though that isn't always possible I know. You'll get over it. Also, when you mentioned on the radio that you were worried about setting your guitars (one of which didn't belong to you) down in order to defend yourself, I can relate - I'm a guitarist myself and would be loathe to put it down where it would almost surely be stolen. BUT, I also have a bad temper and probably would be kicking some 12 year old ass en masse rather than watching mine and my buddy's axe - you're smarter than I would have been.

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