November 12th, 2001

[Patches]

With the upcoming annniversary of the most devastating act of aggression against Americans in our history, I would just like to ask all of you to also remember 11/12/01, a day no one in my hometown of Rockaway Beach, NY will ever forget. To refresh some memories, 11/12/01 is the day American Airlines Flight 587 bound for the Dominican Republic, mysteriously fell out of the sky, killing all 266 people aboard the plane and 5 fellow Rockaway residents (and fellow New Yorkers to us all) on the ground. As a result, a NYC neighborhood hit as hard as any on 9/11 is forced to cope with tragedy from above one more time.
Yesterday. driving by the crash site with my girlfriend and seeing the flags of the United States and the Dominican Republic draped across a plywood wall, a plywood wall with the names of the unfortunate scrawled on its face, standing above withering flowers laid in memoriam, brought everything back. While I stared intently, my girlfriend could not bring herself to look. She watched the plane crash from 7 blocks away (if anyone knows Rockaway, that's maybe 3 city blocks). She explained to the representative from the NTSB how flames were coming from the engine before it dislodged from the rest of the plane, (landing miraculously between two pumps at a local gas station), something the NTSB still does not acknowledge. While I 100% believe this was not an act of terrorism, I do believe this issue is deserving of more attention than it received by the media. Why did flight 587 crash? I think we are all owed this answer.

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[high_pitch_eric]

definitly. It saddened me to hear
of this since I fly American all the
time from kennedy and that
Santo Domingo flight is packed
with so many children and
families. Strange how it has been
forgotten and not really
mentioned, but with 9/11 it is
somewhat understandable.

Do I believe it was an act of
some sort? No way. This was
simply an old Airbus A300 which
is known for its problems that
simply gave way to stress and
age. Should never had
happened, but unfortunelty this
crap does! God bless the sould
aboard and on the ground!

[TheMojoPin]

No way it was terrorism. Far too much attention being paid for that to happen. Based on the eyewitness reports, it was just a one-in-a-million fluke involving turbulence and jetwash...tragic, but not on purpose.

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[furie]

While I 100% believe this was not an act of terrorism, I do believe this issue is deserving of more attention than it received by the media. Why did flight 587 crash? I think we are all owed this answer.


trust me on this issue, it was NOT a terrorist act. NTSB/FAA/TSA know why it went down.

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[SoccerMom]

It's all about the benjamins and airlines who are either too cheap or too broke to upgrade their fleets. Unfortunately, duct tape is cheaper than new planes. <P>

[TheMojoPin]

Unfortunately, duct tape is cheaper than new planes.

No kidding. I mean, TWA 800 went down over a single frayed wire and a less than full gas tank. THAT'S even scarier than hijackers...

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[El Mudo]

yorkis perez, a pitcher for the orioles lost his mother and sister on that flight..he was sposed to be on it, because he was quitting baseball, but his mother persuaded him to keep playing and her and his sister took his plane tickets...

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[furie]

Unfortunately, duct tape is cheaper than new planes.


not only does that statement's sentament hold true for the fleet maintence, but for security too.

It was because the airlines didn't give a shit about security that 9-11 happened. There hadn't been a hijacking in the US since '73, so what did they care. Pay some LPR $5.15 an hour and it's all taken care of.

I'm so glad the government has started to take over security. Now the only thing we have to worry about is the lazy government workers.........it's always something.

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This message was edited by furie on 9-10-02 @ 10:48 AM

[Halfpops]

It's all about the benjamins and airlines who are either too cheap or too broke to upgrade their fleets. Unfortunately, duct tape is cheaper than new planes.


Umm, not really, at least in this case. The aircraft was a newer Airbus A320. The NTSB feels that there may have been a manufacturing defect in the vertical fin that caused it to break off due to wake turbulance from a previously departed aircraft. Although you only hear the horror stories, US aircraft are extremely well maintained. Remember, every aircraft incident makes the media, and most often it is reported incorrectly.




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[Patches]

The aircraft was a newer Airbus A320.


You may or may not be right, but I was under the impression it was an A300, one of the older ones in the fleet. I also heard this particular aircraft had a history of near-disasters.

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[TheMojoPin]

Think how many tens, even hundreds of thousands of flights that go on each and every day. Then think about how many actually crash.

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[furie]

The NTSB feels that there may have been a manufacturing defect in the vertical fin that caused it to break off due to wake turbulance from a previously departed aircraft.


No, the NTSB has pulled away from that theory.

That plane had been damaged 3 weeks before the crash, when the tug driver backed the plane too far and the rear of the craft smashed through a wall in terminal 8, at JFK.

It's possible that that crash caused unnoticed stress fractures that eventually led to the fin coming off.

but again, they're not 100% that was the cause either.

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This message was edited by furie on 9-10-02 @ 4:31 PM