"cops need to stop bitching and go to work"

[DBmack]

I just wanted to know if anyone heard that ass on Thursday say that Cops need to stop crying and just do our jobs. I called in and expressed my feeling on that. Keith "The Cop" also called in. This guy worked for con ed or something and compared his job to the job of a law enforcement officer. Also he made it sound like becoming a cop was a short cut in life.

I just wanted to know how everyone on the board felt.

Seee YAaaaaaa!

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[Freeze]

No, Cops in NY barley get paid enough to live. If your talking about cops from other states yeah.

Its pretty cold in here.......

[RandomNY]

The cops and Fireman deserve a raise... and it's a real shame they can't strike if they want to... It must pain NYPD officers to no end the NAssau and Suffolk cops made crazy money being on the job for only 5 to 10 years... The city really needs to wake up and give them a decent wage.



I listen to much less WNEW than I used to!!!!

[DBmack]

I was nypd. I left to be a cop in CT. I know NYPD needs more money, but what about this guy comparing his Con ED job to police work?

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This message was edited by DBmack on 8-31-02 @ 8:47 PM

[ChrisTheCop]

I was surprised and disappointed to hear how many callers thought the nypd didnt deserve a raise. That electrician was the oddest of all. He seemed to really think that his job is more dangerous than a cop's. He also said, "I got a foreman breathing down my neck..cops dont got dat"...ever hear of a sergeant, lieutenant, captain, etc..? The fact of the matter is that in past negotiations, we've always been told, "listen pals, just suck it up THIS time, and NEXT time, we'll give you youre cost of living increases, etc..." and it never ever happens. So this time we went to the state arbitrator thinking we'd get a fair shake. Ok, it turns out the state agrees with the city that now is not the time to offer such a raise. BUT on top of that, they decide that we should work 10 EXTRA DAYS a year! To paraphrase a gifted comedian, THAT STINKS and we dont like it. Ron and Fez were outstanding in their support of the cops, and I thank them for it.

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[Johnny4]

Listen, I agree that NYC cops should get a raise, but most guys I know who are on the job aren't on because of the fabulous pay. They are on because of the tremendous (and cheap ) benefits and the idea of 20 years and done. Name another job in the country where after 20 years you can retire with 1/2 the salary you average over the last three years you work. They break their ass for those last three years and its 50,000 a year sitting on your ass free and clear. I talk to cops from other places and they can't believe that deal. Firemen get the same deal and they get to work mutuals(2 24hour shifts back to back, 12 hrs of which they can sleep.) When they do this they take 5 days off before they go back to work. Believe me, there was a 2-3 year wait to get this job pre 911. I'm not knocking them, they all deserve raises. Just let those who truly were martyrs be martyrs, not those who are looking to use their name for a pay raise. <P>

[fatkiddx]

Cops arent ALWAYS paid well in other states. lots of them have to work overtime to make real cash! and DBmack, your a cop in Milford? thats cool, hows life treating you up there?

[ChrisTheCop]

Just let those who truly were martyrs be martyrs, not those who are looking to use their name for a pay raise.




Youll notice that I didnt mention 9-11 in my post. Thats because we went to the arbitrator before that tragedy happened. The nypd existed long b4 9-11, and have lost many men and women protecting you and your families over the years, and whether youre willing to admit it or not, have done alot of good for the city. What makes me upset is that EVEN WITH 9-11, you cant see that.

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[Devilman]

anyone smell bacon?

[Johnny4]

Let me reiterate. NYPD deserves a raise! I do have a problem with the way Patrick Lynch phrases things. For example

[Johnny4]

Let me reiterate. NYPD deserves a raise! I do have a problem with the way Patrick Lynch phrases things. For example,

[Johnny4]

Let me reiterate. NYPD deserves a raise! I do have a problem with the way Patrick Lynch phrases things. For example: If 23 politicians died in WTC, you bet they would get raises . I almost fell out of my chair when I heard him say this. The best manin my wedding is in the NYPD. He is studyng like a lunatic to pass the Lt. test in Feb. He works shitty hours, does shit I wouldn't do for 3x's the pay. On days he works he studies for an hour. On days off he studies for three hours. He never gets to see his wife, she is a teacher,so when school is on he works 4-12's so someone can watch their kid. He is probably the bravest guy I know and the first guy I would call if I had a problem. Believe me,I am not anti-cop, I am anti-rhetoric. As a matter of fact, I think it is bullshit that they wantyou guys to work 10 more days. Chris, how many guys do you know left the PD to become firemen over the last 3 years? It is a thankless job that you can lose at the drop of a hat from a false accusation. <P>

[WrongWay]

first off my brother is on the job here in Jersey.
here I know that cops start in the $30k range and top out in the $80k area.
that is for some municipal jobs.
to the best of my knowledge the boys in blue are starting in the low $30's, in NYC.
underpaid, yes. underappreciated, no.
just a shame you have to look forward to your retirement that much and struggle for those 20 years to meet your goals.
anyone know a cop who doesn't have another job?
'nough said.....

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[DarkHippie]

there are few jobs out there where you can kiss your family good bye in the morning, and there's a damn good chance that you'll never see them again. I say give the cops, give the firemen, anyone who put their asses on the line for us: give them anything they want

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[Yerdaddy]

I say give the cops, give the firemen, anyone who put their asses on the line for us: give them anything they want
There goes another liberal wanting to throw money at a problem. Good.

I don't know what cops in NY make, or about the retirement benefits. All I have is a broad generalization. And it goes a little something like this: Wherever in America that cops, firemen, teachers, military personnel and other ESSENTIAL members of our society are underpaid, it is a national disgrace. And when the people who do these jobs begin to talk of going on strike, they need to be heard, and the public should stand behind them and demand that they are fairly compensated for the risks they take and the critical work they do.

Our free market system, (to the degree that it is free), serves professional athletes, celebrities and corporate executives well, (maybe too well). But our civil servants depend on the governments that we elect to decide what they are paid. If they are concearned about keeping their budgets down in the name of "fiscal responsibilty" while handing out tax breaks to sports teams and tech companies at the expence of the people who serve the actual needs of the public, then the public needs to get involved and back those people up. They need to read the newspapers, hear the complaints of their officers, learn the facts and demand action from government. Bumper stickers are fine, but that's how you support the protectors of your community.

As for the elctrician claiming that his job is more dangerous than police work? Only if you're stupid enough to drop a live circuit down your sweaty ass-crack. Pull up your fucking pants and get back to work.

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[TheMojoPin]

Cops...fire fighters...and teachers.

THE most criminally underpaid people in the country, by far.

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[DBmack]

Cops arent ALWAYS paid well in other states. lots of them have to work overtime to make real cash! and DBmack, your a cop in Milford? thats cool, hows life treating you up there? <P>
Milford is cool, however, we are having our own contract problems. Nothing to compare to NYPD's troble. Just the other day we had a stand off with a man who shot his wife, drove off in his car and had a 5 hour stand off with us in the center of the city. He had a loaded shot gun and a gallon of gas with a lighter. we got him out, but how many elctrician jobs have to deal with that. <P>

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This message was edited by DBmack on 9-1-02 @ 12:24 PM

[DBmack]

As for the elctrician claiming that his job is more dangerous than police work? Only if you're stupid enough to drop a live circuit down your sweaty ass-crack. Pull up your fucking pants and get back to work.




The best reply by far!

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[Gvac]

I'm a firm believer that the main function of local, state, and federal government is to provide for the safety of its citizens. It's a shame that New York's finest earn such a low rate of pay for such an important job.

There is a finite amount of money to go around in any budget, however. People must realize that in order to pay the civil servants what they truly deserve, cuts and sacrifices must be made in other areas.

If this happenned, the proponents and recipients of the programs that got the ax would be up in arms, and they'd be joined by a chorus of voices crying how unfair that is, too.

You're never going to please everyone, but I think NYC should do whatever is necessary to make sure our public health and safety is priority number one.

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[fatkiddx]

yeah i heard about the contract probs. You guys got hammered this week, ya had the 5hr standoff one day, and the old suicide guy the next. Milford may be cool, but Easton owns all....

[n4lifecrew]

I just wanna say that ever since the tragic events of September 11th cops and firefighters should get a raise! Whether they are guarding a fallen tree on the road or running into a burning building, they deserve an increase!





This message was edited by n4lifecrew on 9-1-02 @ 11:38 PM

[Frunobulax]

I believe you all the the issue wrong. It isn't whether or not the police are paid properly. To quote a famous article, the problem is we are a nation of cowards. <btr><br> Per the article, which can be found at http://www.jim.com/cowards.htm, <br><br>"Is your life worth protecting? If so, whose responsibility is it to protect it? If you believe that it is the police's, not only are you wrong -- since the courts universally rule that they have no legal obligation to do so -- but you face some difficult moral quandaries. How can you rightfully ask another human being to risk his life to protect yours, when you will assume no responsibility yourself? Because that is his job and we pay him to do it? Because your life is of incalculable value, but his is only worth the $30,000 salary we pay him? If you believe it reprehensible to possess the means and will to use lethal force to repel a criminal assault, how can you call upon another to do so for you? "<br><br>
While the article is about the evils of gun control, the moral argument is similar to that with the thread here. I would argue most of the people who don't think the police deserve a raise, and a large number of pro-police folk too, would recoil in horror at the notion the defense of their own life, liberty, and property isn't the local cop, but the person they face in the mirror each morning.<br><br>
Yes, pay the cops a market rate. But the next time you're robbed and you let the purp get away with it, don't blame the police. Blame yourself.


This message was edited by Frunobulax on 9-2-02 @ 1:21 PM

[irishkb]

ok so i am trying to become a cop and hopefully one day i will.. but come on people a rookie cop makes nothing to encounter a lot of shit that most people would never think of..
What are the benefits and salary for a NYC Police Officer?

Ans: With overtime, holiday pay and night differential, a probationary police officer can earn over
$35,000 and the salary can increase to over $60,000. After five years with additional longevity pay
every five years up to 20 years of service. NYPD officers enjoy many of the following benefits:

that is from the nypd official page.. now look can make up to $35,000.. do you know how much overtime that means they would have to work.. plus the nypd has a live in clause..

Do you have to be a NYC resident to be a NYC Police Officer?

Ans: You do not have to be a NYC resident to take the Police Officer Exam but on the day of
appointment you must reside in New York City or one of the surrounding counties of NYC which are:
Westchester, Rockland, Orange, Putnam, Nassau, or Suffolk counties.

now that is not a lot money to get by... give them some credit and just give them a raise... shit cops in my area can top out at $80,000...

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[TheMojoPin]

the evils of gun control

WOOF.

*Snort*

Moooooooooooooo...

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[Jackie Sloan]

NYC cops and Firefighters deserve every penny they can get their hands on. No disrespect to anyone, but I live in Bumfuck NJ and these "officers" do little and get more than NYC cops, this I know to be fact.

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[Yerdaddy]

Frunobulax ,
You can keep your fantasies that this would be a crime-free society if only everyone were strapped, but don't belittle the cops that risk their lives to protect the public. Your friend there paints a picture that we're all in mortal danger every time we leave the house, and we're all pussies for thinking the cops are going to protect us when they're not. Call me a pussy, I don't care. But you're trying to diminish the work that cops do, just to push a pro-gun political agenda. The fact is that we weigh the risks of going out of the house and we find that it's just not that fucking dangerous. And we have the police, and the other elements of our civil society, to thank for it. Scare people into wanting guns if you want to, but don't insult the cops to do it. Tuttle.

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[Cybersoldier]

The cops and fire fighters should get raises. If the city was able to find money for the teachers raises then the cops and the fire fighters should get raises too

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[Frunobulax]

Tuttle - <p> You appear to have mis-comprehended my post, or you are trying the old straw-man technique in debate. Either way, I'll try again.
<p>

Upon the shoulders of the police have been hoisted, in the court of public opinion but certainly not in the cout of law, the responsibility of protecting the life, liberty, and property of the citizenry. It is NOT their responsibility to protect your car, your "privacy," nor your life. That is YOUR responsibility. <p> Because of this shifting of responsibility, you get cops put in the line of fire where they morally do NOT belong. Indeed, contrary to your claims, my argument actually does the opposite of diminishing the work of the police.
<p>
Whether or not you decide to acquire a handgun or not is immaterial to the issue of who is responsible for your life. Trying to make this a gun control debate was slick on your part, but you failed. And I'll let someone else take you up on your name-calling challenge. <p>
(Quite frankly, it is you, not I, who decided to make this a gun control issue and obscure the fact of where the responsibility squarely lies. For the record, paying cops very little to do something that is your responsibility is reprehensible, not quite as bad as the shirking of said responsibility. I find gun control not germane to this thread: I simply noted the article was on gun control to alert the reader about the intent - that's common courtesy. We can take gun control to Off-topic if the admins permit, or we can move it to a separate venue.)






This message was edited by Frunobulax on 9-2-02 @ 6:07 PM

[Yerdaddy]

Frunobulax,
1. I'm not Tuttle. Listen to the show and you'll understand the joke.

2. I'm not interested in arguing gun rights with you, but I'll keep the nickname Slick. Thank you.

3. If you weren't arguing gun rights, then what was your point? Because what I heard was this: crime is rampant, if you count on cops to defend you you're a coward, get a gun. And your second post sounded like: Aha! I caught you in your tramp foul slithering creature! T'was you, not I that cast the stones of discord in yon thread. I shal not fall in line with your dispersions, oh slick one! Twist my words how you wish, but they remain: crime is rampant, if you count on cops to defend you you're a coward, get a gun, if you want to.

4. I'm not that interested in this "debate", so either liven it up, or tell me what exactly your point was and we'll drop it. Was it just some libertarian take on law enforcement?

Slick

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[Frunobulax]

Ok, I will try one last time, and unfortunately for the rest of the board I must repeat myself. As for livening it up, I think you're more than pulling double duty in the humor category. <p> You signed your first post using the name of that ignorant Floridian. Pardon me for thinking that was your handle..<p> <P>
My point, here stated for the THIRD time but now explaining it all in painstaking detail, is we, as a society are cowards because we have yielded (indeed, pushed down) the responsibility of protecting our life, liberty, and property to the police. Yet we won't pay them adequately for this responsibility. We are not, as you stated, cowards if we depend upon the cops. The cowardice is in the abdication of this great moral responsibility while being stingy with their pay. I introduced text from an excellent article - which happened to be about the moral problems of gun control - as it does the best job of framing this issue. That is, How can you rightfully ask another human being to risk his life to protect yours, when you will assume no responsibility yourself? Because that is his job and we pay him to do it? Because your life is of incalculable value, but his is only worth the $30,000 salary we pay him? <p> <P>
Again, for the record, this shifting of responsibility gets cops put in the line of fire where they morally do NOT belong, and paying cops very little to do something that is your responsibility is reprehensible. While I'm on the record, it would seem you have no moral quandary with the police shouldering your responsibility, although you and I agree they should be paid properly. <p> Now, I'll listen to Tom Leykis if you can cut and paste where I a) intimated a fantasy about an armed society=crime free society, b) belittled the cops, c) made this a pro-gun diatribe, d) suggested retaking our responsibility means we all must buy a revolver, or e) (and this one was really funny) crime is rampant, if you count on cops to defend you you're a coward, get a gun, if you want to.<p> <P>
I imagine you will now, much as you did previously, ignore what I've written and reply I am diminishing what the police do and am trying to hijack this thread to the womb of the NRA. Quite frankly, I have better things to do so I'll just say seyuhhhhhh until next time. <P>

[TheMojoPin]

If "relying" on cops makes us all cowards, then civilized society has been "cowardly" for thousands of years. It's an established system of protection and law enforcement that has existed for centuries.

And you wanna talk cowardly, talk guns. Why can't people just let me beat their asses without trying to pull a piece? Too much power for scrawny, weak water-headed meatbabies that deserve nothing more than a gigantic ass-whupping.

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