5th Presdient on Mt. Rushmore

[NewYorkDragons80]

Tonight on MSNBC, they asked "Who would be the 5th president you would put on Mt. Rushmore?" I would put Reagan. Come on, he won the Cold War and proved we were still willing to fight communism after Vietnam.

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[A.J.]

William Henry Harrison. Ol' Tippecanoe had a great 30-day tenure.

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[Michael Fury]

Although they're not Presidents, I'd put Ben and Jerry up there. Those hippies have done so much for this country.






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[DarkHippie]

FDR. no contest. brought us through the depression. brought us through WWII. elected an unprecedented 4 times. end of discussion.

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come on guys!! nixon all the way.


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[RF Godfather]

How about the REAL 1st President of the United States, John Hanson (1715-1783)! The forgotten president should be part of Mt. Rushmore!

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[JustJon]

how about leaving it as is and not defacing a national monument?

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[Pootertoot]

Tonight on MSNBC, they asked "Who would be the 5th president you would put on Mt. Rushmore?" I would put Reagan.


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[NewYorkDragons80]

Jon, I think it was hypothetical when MSNBC posed the question.

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[ToddEVF]

we need a barrel chested president's head there like Taft or Cleveland

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[42nd-delay]

The four Presidents on Mt. Rushmore were chosen because their terms were turning points for the country (Washington - first pres, Jefferson - Louisiana Purchase, Lincoln - Civil War, Teddy Roosevelt - America reaching overseas, conservation), so the next one would probably be FDR for obvious reasons, though you could argue Wilson, since under his term the country entered WWI.

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[A.J.]

FDR. no contest. brought us through the depression. brought us through WWII. elected an unprecedented 4 times. end of discussion.


He also expanded the size of the Federal government (starting with creating the Executive Office of the President) and created the welfare state in America.

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[blakjeezis]

What about Eisenhower? His supreme command of the troops in Europe to topple Hitler, plus an unprecedented period of prosperity, plus the seeds of the civil rights movement. He sent troops into Little Rock to enforce integration in schools. Sounds like a perfect candidate to me.

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[TheKnicks23]

Definetly not the current president

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[furie]

Reagan

How about the REAL 1st President of the United States, John Hanson (1715-1783)! The forgotten president should be part of Mt. Rushmore!



Hanson died before the office of the president or the executive branch was created.

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[furie]

What about Eisenhower? His supreme command of the troops in Europe to topple Hitler, plus an unprecedented period of prosperity


the US was in a recession for the majority of the 50's

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[Doogie]

Kennedy, launched the Peace Corps, The Apollo program, and refused to back down to the Soviets...

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[furie]

Kennedy also got us bogged down in Vietnam.

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[Cybersoldier]

Kennedy, clinton or Reagan should be the 5th face on mt. Rushmore


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AJ, ya beat me to it again!



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[Doogie]

Kennedy also got us bogged down in Vietnam.


Yes, but evidence also showed that Kennedy was preparing to pull troops out of Vietnam, was actually the Eisenhower administration that got the ball rolling on Vietnam

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[Death Metal Moe]

Ronnie Rocks. Eisenhower is a good choice.

FDR is a HORRIBLE choice. He expanded government so much, we may NEVER be able to get it under control again.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Vietnam was a justified and misunderstood war. It is unfortunate that nearly 60,000 Americans died in a land they would never otherwise see, but they did it defending freedom and democracy. If we want to point blame at presidents for the Vietnam war, Johnson mishandled it from day 1.

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[RF Godfather]

Hanson died before the office of the president or the executive branch was created. Well if you want to nitpick, furie. lol :)

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[Cybersoldier]

FDR is a HORRIBLE choice. He expanded government so much, we may NEVER be able to get it under control again

I agree with you thatmost of the programs FDR created was alot but he still help the country get out of the the great depression during the world wars

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[El Mudo]

Yes, but evidence also showed that Kennedy was preparing to pull troops out of Vietnam, was actually the Eisenhower administration that got the ball rolling on Vietnam


Actually, yoiu could say it was truman who first got us involved in Nam. i believe he sent the french and british over there lots of aid and stuff..eisenhower escalated the aid effort to the french, kennedy bought in the advisers, and johnson bought in the ground troops

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[TheMojoPin]

Gotta throw my vote in for FDR as well. I disagree with what ended up being a far too bloated Federal government, but the man worked so hard to pull us out of the Great Depression and World War II that it killed him. Plus he was a great social activist, he accomplished everything while being essentially crippled, AND he managed to have multiple mistresses on the side. Go Franky.

And if Reagan goes up there, I'm blowing the damn thing up. I'm actually not a hater of the guy, but the push to get him on monuments around the country is insane. There's a group trying to get a Reagan monument of some kind in every American state and every NATO country. MADNESS. The guy was decent, but like the current Prez, what was accomplished during his years was more the result of the insanely experienced people he had around him.

Worst choice would be Grant. Or Wilson. Yech.

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[El Mudo]

Worst choice would be Grant. Or Wilson. Yech.


Grant wasnt that bad of a president. He's a lot like what bush would be if he hadnt surrounded himself with smart people. Grant had to deal with a country still hurt from a 4 year war and unscrupulous businessmen ran all over his administration...

basically, he trusted too many people..he shoulda done what sherman did and stayed out of politics

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Actually, yoiu could say it was truman who first got us involved in Nam. i believe he sent the french and british over there lots of aid and stuff..eisenhower escalated the aid effort to the french, kennedy bought in the advisers, and johnson bought in the ground troops

And Nixon pounded the North into submission and leveled VC hideouts in Cambodia. Love him or hate him, there is no question that he handled the war better than any of his predecessors.

Also, Eisenhower pledged support for Diem and Kennedy supported Diem's overthrow. It was that move by Kennedy that truly dedicated America to the Republic of South Vietnam, in my opinion.

There are other factors that caused Saigon to fall. The leftist Americans who protested (and terribly misunderstood) the war certainly share some blame. The Congress that denied last-minute weapons sales to the ARVN probably takes the most blame. As much as I dislike the stance that each of these groups took, it showed that their voices WERE heard and this war WAS justified because we were fighting for the same right in Southeast Asia.

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[TheMojoPin]

The leftist Americans who protested (and terribly misunderstood) the war certainly share some blame. The Congress that denied last-minute weapons sales to the ARVN probably takes the most blame. As much as I dislike the stance that each of these groups took, it showed that their voices WERE heard and this war WAS justified because we were fighting for the same right in Southeast Asia.

We lost the war simply because we were trying to smash a housefly with a Cadillac. The American millitary just wasn't properly guided, trained, or equiped to effectively deal with a long-term guerrilla conflict.

And was it really that justified? It was just the blanket, holdover notion that "communism will destroy us all!" Vietnam was actually pretty anti-everything in terms of China and the USSR and the U.S.A drove them into their waiting arms...

Oh well, it was a fucked-up conflict on a number of levels...

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[Death Metal Moe]

This is WAY to serious. We need a poop joke, quick!

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Communism was vicious to the welfare of Southeast Asians. Pol Pot's communist regime in Cambodia killed 1 out of every 3 Cambodians. One of the arguments against America's involvement in the war was that we were trying to "colonialize" Vietnam. Even if this was true, Vietnam turned around and occupied Cambodia and Laos and continues a puppet regime in Laos to this day.

Some said the Saigon regimes were power-hungry, corrupt and unpopular. This was slightly true, but it was far more fair, democratic and free than any communist country mankind has ever seen.

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[The Blowhard]

Vietnam was a justified and misunderstood war.

What? This was one of the biggest clusterfucks in US foreign policy.
As for a President on Mount Rushmore?
Well, FDR took us from a depression, straight into WWII!
Reagan? Sure, he plunged us into debt!
Nixon? Ha ha!
The last US President with any balls was Harry Truman.
He should be on Rushmore just for nuking Japan and ending WWII.

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[Freebird]

I think Gene Tunney should be on Mount Rushmore.

Oh wait, he was WWF Commissioner, not president. My mistake.

Then definitely Vince McMahon's face should go up on Rushmore.

Is this in the wrong topic?

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[ToddEVF]

I think Gene Tunney should be on Mount Rushmore.

Oh wait, he was WWF Commissioner, not president. My mistake.

Then definitely Vince McMahon's face should go up on Rushmore.

Is this in the wrong topic?


Its Jack Tunney and he was the President of the WWF. i just wanted to clear that up.

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[TheMojoPin]

I'll end this goddamn mess.

Bill Pullman. 'Nuff said.

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[RF Godfather]

5th Presdient on Mt. RushmoreLisa Simpson. 'Nuff said. :)

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[TheMojoPin]

Martin Sheen. Twice. 'Nuff said.

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[scottorius]

My vote goes to Martin van Buren. The guys head alone should get him a spot. I mean it's huge. They would have to build an entirely new visitors center there just for his Head.

[TheMojoPin]

Martin van Buren

Milhouse Van Hausen.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

What? This was one of the biggest clusterfucks in US foreign policy.
Yes, because we left. Do I need to get Sam Kinison to explain?

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[furie]

Do I need to get Sam
Kinison to explain?


that's a Korean war refrence, not
vietnam.

FDR got us out of the
depression, right into WWII


and truman got us out of WWII,
and right into the Korean war!



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[NewYorkDragons80]

But Kinison was explaining that he was up to his knees in rice paddies, etc. when Rodeny Dangerfield interrupted him.

Let's leave it at this; Defending Vietnam was far more worthwhile and justified than defending Kuwait. But for whatever reason, defending an absolute monarchy is more popular than defending a genuine republic.

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[Freebird]

todd, you rule. I just KNEW I had the wrong name.

I didn't think he was President of the WWF, but since he was, Jack Tunney should be the 5th head on Rushmore!!!

On a different note, I always wondered if he really had a job, or if he was just some local drunk Vince gave a job and some tv time.

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