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[Jennitalia]

Vatican Excommunicates Seven Women 'Priests'
Mon Aug 5, 8:24 AM ET

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Reinforcing its opposition to female priests, the Vatican ( news - web sites) said Monday it had excommunicated seven women, including a nun, who were ordained in June in a ceremony on a boat in Austria.

An Argentine bishop, not recognized by the Holy See, ordained the Austrian, German and U.S. women in a ceremony, witnessed by 300 people.

This prompted a warning from the Vatican last month, giving the women 12 days to repent.

"Because the women ... did not give any indication of amendment or repentance for the most serious offence they had committed...they have incurred excommunication," Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, a papal right-hand man, said in a press release from the Vatican.

He had earlier branded the ordination "an affront to the dignity of women," saying women had a specific role in the church which was distinctive and irreplaceable.



why is it that women will be ex-communicated who truly love and believe in their religion, yet nothing seems to be done about priests molesting children?

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[Doogie]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh more great PR for the Catholic faith...as NJDMMOE said best. "Watch the Catholic Church die!!!!" Time to break out the torches and show these twisted fucks what a backlash is all about...

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[A.J.]

Once again the church shows itself to be on the cutting edge of the 3rd century.

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[Death Metal Moe]

HA! I LOVE this shit! More reasons why you should lave your church, and NEVER go back.

These people hold the key to the salvation of your Immortal soul? Fuck them right in the ass!

Oh wait, they may like that. So just leave.

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[Captain Rooster]

I am Catholic and there is a reason for not having women priests.

Christ was a man who hung around with the dredges of society. He respected and loved prostitutes, tax collectors and the dispossessed of his time. At not time did he ever empower a woman to be a leader within the Church as a leader. I know this sounds weird but it goes back to the role of women in the family. There are defined roles within the family and that is one of the reasons that women are not asked to take on a father role within the church.

Women of faith are beautiful and can be leaders in many ways without becoming priests. There are several youth ministers at my church that take on leadership roles and bring the congregation together with beautiful preaching and interpretation of the Bible.
There are specific roles that the church supports and the church will constantly be persecuted for standing by those decisions. It has been that way from the start and will continue throughout time, I am sure.

I think women should be empowered and respected but when roles break down with in the family, within the society, within a culture, there is usually turmoil as a result.

Married Priests is a different question that arises along with this argument often too. There is a scripture base to warrant married priests. The problem with married priests is that some men began to take the job as if it were just another civil service position and began to become lukewarm in their faith and in their practices.

At this point, I think the church should consider allowing priests to marry. I do not think having a man become celibate is mentally healthy for the individual and is causing many of the horrible abuses that have been recently documented.


That being said, look at the statistics for clergy among all religions and tell me if there are not abuses within them as well as within the Catholic Church. Humans are base beings that are constantly abusing each other and abusing power.

Pray for the church. Don't just trash an organization that has a billion followers that want to change the world in a positive manner because of a few human beings who left the path and lost their way.

It is too easy to just say "F the church," throw up the middle finger, and abandon all the church has done.

The church has done some pretty horrible things throughout its 2000-year history. That is documented fact, but it is also fact that the Pope just 2 years ago asked for the people of the world to forgive the church for the mistakes of the past. It was the 2000 Jubilee year and the Pope tried to reconcile for all of the injustices. I try to forgive.




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[Captain Rooster]

I will try to be brief (for once).

MOLESTING PRIETS DESERVE REAL PUNISHMENT!

I am disgusted by them as much as anyone.

I have been a youth worker (volunteer) for over 8 years and I become enraged when I hear of abuse against children. It is horrible and tragic.


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[Coco]

I agree with most of what Rooster said.

Christianity holds women in high esteem. It was a woman to first hear of Christ's coming here on Earth (Mary). It was a woman to first call Christ Savior. It was a woman to first witness the resurrection of Christ (Mary Magdalen).

The Church holds women in high esteem, but places them in different roles - with no role being more important than the other. Who can say motherhood or other roles described in the Bible for women are less important than priesthood?

The Catholic Church (unlike any other Christian Church other than the Eastern Orthodox Churches) holds Mary in a very highly elevated position. Church doctrine calls her the "new Eve". That she undid what Eve did. In other words, Eve brought sin into the world by her going against God's will, and Mary brought grace (Christ) into the world by doing God's will through the conception and birth of Jesus. The Church believes her role was even prophesized in Genesis. After Adam and Eve ate the apple, God said to the serpent, "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel." (Genesis 3:15) The Church believes that the "woman" God was referring to was Mary. Very often, Mary is depicted in statues as standing on top of the world, crushing the serpent's head.

There probably will be changes in the Church down the road. I believe, one day priests will be able to marry but that is way down the road


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They'll be real changes when their bank account dips too low.

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[HordeKing1]

Christianity has consistently trampled on the basic human rights of women.

This is true of most religions but it was the Catholic church that most opposed birth control. It was the Catholic church that was against sufferage and it was the Catholic Church that still refuses to permit not only abortions but birth control as well.

The attitude towards women is perfectly exemplified in the refusal to ordain women priests. It's interesting that some people find the ordination of married priests more acceptable than ordaining female priests.

The Catholic Church rules changes from time to time. Remember Vatican I and II? Those confrerences resulted major changes in what the religion condoned and condemed.

The Church is quick to condem lesbians and gays as deviants, but to accept without any question the divine right of male priests (assigned to their role by jesus, per rooster, by virtue of their maleness) to rape little boys.

Many things are wrong with this institution and the current administration shows no sign of desiring change.

I mentioned ROOSTER before. He's a great guy, and religious (two things which often don't go together.) ROOSTER, like most people sees that the pedophilic priests are sick fucks. I imagine he extends that to the administration of cardinals and bishops and up who condone this behavior and even encourage it.



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[SuperClerk]

i escaped Catholic school after 4th grade. Thank God.

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[Coco]

Horde King - such hatred you express. That is ok, this is just a forum and everyone is allowed to express their views.

Sometimes I think that people think that the Catholic Church imposes restrictions because it wants to be a "spoil sport" or isn't into fun. The Church teaches the way it does, because of what Scripture says. The Catholic Church opposes some forms of birth control because God commands us to be "be fruitful and multiply" (Gen 1:28). The Church also believes that "in the conjugal act there is an inseparable connection willed by God to procreate." (Humanae Vitae).

The Church does allow the rhythm method because there are times of the month the woman is naturally biologically incapable of conception. This they believe is willed by God.

Believe it or not, I had read a book on the rhythm method, and couples using it were far less likely to divorce than those using regular birth control. There are many reasons for this that I can't get into here, but many couples (because of the waiting period) found it almost had a "honeymoon type of effect" on their marriage because of the waiting period they followed.

Many women are not aware of this, but many brands of the pill work in 2 ways - they prohibit the egg from being released from the ovary, but many of them also make the uterine lining "uninhabitable" for a fertilized egg to attach. So, if you believe that life begins at conception, there may be a problem there.

Nobody said that following God's Word would be easy. It never was, and still never is, and never will be.

Homosexuality is condemned about 20 times in the Bible. There are many references to it.
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Romans 1:27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Genesis 19:1-29, etc. But, again, Christianity teaches us not to hate people because of what they do, but to forgive.

The Church never accepted or will accept pedophilia. The American Church made a grave error in allowing this behavior to go on without reporting these priests to authorities. I, as well as millions of others are outraged over what happened.

By the way, I would like to see priests be able to marry. St. Peter was married.

As I mentioned in a previous post, there are things about the Catholic Church that I love, but there are things that I dislike about the Church. I have studied many religions and have much respect for a lot of them. But, because all religions are made up of men, mistakes are going to happen.

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[Death Metal Moe]

The Bible is a dated LIE.

The Church is ANTIQUATED, and unable to change.

And Who the FUCK are they to condemn ANYONE! I bet if they kept their sexual orientation quiet, they'd still take thier money every Sunday in the offering plate.

And when you condemn people and religions, it is a NATURAL progression to then think your way and yourself BETTER than they. This is why Religion has pulled the planet apart, and is the primary cause of violence around the globe. Not just Christianity, but all religion.

Religion just plays on the fears and guilts of the masses, and is bullshit. I Will NEVER again allow myself to be herded by these scumbags.

NO GOD SHALL STAND BEFORE MYSELF.

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[jamesdiggy]

i hate being catholic

I always thought that was the point.

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[Captain Rooster]

And Who the FUCK are they to condemn ANYONE!


I want to know where you ever read of the Catholic Church condemning anyone within the last thirty years?

There has been dramatic changes in the church.

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[A.J.]

I want to know where you ever read of the Catholic Church condemning anyone within the last thirty years?


Pedophile priests?

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[Captain Rooster]

NO
Soorreee
That is the actions of rogue, sick, human beings who have denied their vows and have grossly abused their power.
That is not the Church (which is made up of the people) condemning any person.

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[A.J.]

Right, but that was the closest thing I could think of in terms of recent public condemnation by the Church.

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[Captain Rooster]

Just to clarify, AJ, I was trying to joke a bit with the whole "soorree" thing.

I know where you are coming from in your thoughts on the matter but those evil acts to not serve as the soudning board for what the church belives. There are millions, maybe a billion Catholics that want to wretch at the thought of a man abusing his office and his affirmation to God by hurting, abusing, molesting, sodomizing and downright destroying the mental state of a child.

I just try to bring some sense of what it is to be a Catholic who is being swept up into the same league as the men who committed those horrible acts.

I ask you, please do not think that the Church made up of the believers thinks condones those acts in any way. The people are the ones who are trying to make a lasting change that will keep all of the future generations safer.



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