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philby

08-05-2002, 06:36 AM

In this day and age, I can't believe that so many people still value religion. Do you still wait for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny? Talk about hoping for a "pie in the sky!" Is yor god better than, say a muslim's god? A jew's god? What about Hindus? Is Scientology a valid religion? What if I decided that greek mythology was not mythology and I started a new church of zeus? Is that legitimate? The victims in 9/11 were all of different religions, or not. Those who were probably prayed to survive to their god. It didn't help. The terrorists prayed to their god and, well, you saw the outcome. Religion is responsible for more wars, hatred, bias, and terror than anything else. Why don't you people just respect each other, live for today and stop this childishness.

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Ryan the Great

08-05-2002, 07:05 AM

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philby

08-05-2002, 07:14 AM

As long as you get the message,Ryan. I would like to hug Buddha, though. He always looks so happy!

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TomPoo

08-05-2002, 07:19 AM

and what is the message behind your post??

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philby

08-05-2002, 07:22 AM

There is no god, so don't waste your time or money hoping for some better afterlife. Live well, today!

Must...build...the...pyramid.

Pootertoot

08-05-2002, 07:25 AM

and what is the message behind your post??

they're coming...

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Aggie

08-05-2002, 07:32 AM

Religion is responsible for more wars, hatred, bias, and terror than anything else.

That is called the human race. It is the PERSON who causes this not the religion. If the religion was absent from this picture, they would find some other cause to believe in and die for. So I wouldn't go blaming religion itself. A lot of times it it used as the reason if it isn't the motive. I'm not denying it has caused major incidents, but it is not as fatal as you make it seem.

Some people, even intellectual people, have a lot of faith. There is no reason they should be judged anymore than you choosing not to believe in anything should be judged. It is a personal choice and some people would rather have some sort of hope than be fatalistic and miserable.

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TomPoo

08-05-2002, 07:34 AM

There is no god, so don't waste your time or money hoping for some better afterlife. Live well, today!

well... perhaps your right.

but I don't think people should be criticized for being optimistic and having faith that there is a Supreme force and there is an after-life (whatever that maybe).

And even if you don't believe in God or and afterlife, it does not mean there is no value in religion. The core beliefs and lessons that are tought in most religions are still valuable - and studying them does not mean you have to take on a certain denominations belief structure to practice them.

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philby

08-05-2002, 07:41 AM

TomPoo

08-05-2002, 07:58 AM

The core beliefs and values should be a part of decent human behavior, religious or not. The way religion is destroying life all over this planet right now says it shoul be at least viewed with a jaded eye.

It is people's warped view of there respective religion that they use as there cause or excuse for there actions.

Religion, in every denomination, does not condone or promote war, destrucition, etc.

It is people who mis-interpret there relgions who do this.

Aggie is correct: "it is the PERSON who causes this not the religion. If the religion was absent from this picture, they would find some other cause to believe in and die for."

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philby

08-05-2002, 08:11 AM

hyperspace

08-05-2002, 08:31 AM

you don't believe in the invisible man who lives in the sky?? me either George Carlin rules!!

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sourkitty

08-05-2002, 08:37 AM

tell them like it is!!!!!

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Captain Rooster

08-05-2002, 08:41 AM

God goes beyond the human definition of religion.

Spirituality and the love of God is beautiful, correct and the world is crying out for the teachings of Christ.

The pain and suffering of this world is the result of human frailty and a lack of tolerance and faith.

The last will be first and the first shall become last.

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philby

08-05-2002, 08:48 AM

uuuuh, o.k

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TomPoo

08-05-2002, 09:08 AM

Religions are composed of people. The Kiwanis club is comprised of people. If the Kiwanis club developed a set of rules, and a bunch of people started following them and then bad things happened, would you blame the individuals or the Kiwanis club who put the ideas out there in the first place?

I blame the PEOPLE.

Look at it from this angle. Everyday people abuse the constituion. They hide behind the Bill of Rights, and use certain "freedoms" to get away with bullshit that the constituion never meant to be used.

Does this mean our entire system of Justice is wrong and should be changed???. NO.

The ideals behind it and the intentions are all still good.

It is the same in most Religions. the intention and messages are RIGHT & GOOD, it is the people who go twist the meanings and. It does not make them wrong, and it certainly does not mean people should give up on them.

So Nazi Germany was just people and not an entire country blinded by their idea of a god?

again, it was a wrong and misinterpretaion - and no doctrine ever condoned there actions.

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CovDiesel

08-05-2002, 09:36 AM

There is a God... I've spoken to Him.

Sorry to ruin your anti-God party... but he does exist.

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Zipgun

08-05-2002, 09:50 AM

Sorry to ruin your anti-God party...

S'ok..keg's empty anyway.

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JustJon

08-05-2002, 10:34 AM

I'm real. And I don't appreciate you telling these people not to worship Me.

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ChickenHawk

08-05-2002, 10:49 AM

Aww... isn't that cute. Philby
thinks he's found the definitive,
conclusive, absolutely correct
answer to a question that's been
pondered and analyzed for
thousands of years by the
greatest philosophers...
Congratulations Philby. You win
a Nobel Prize.

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videotapes..." -Patrick Bateman

Aggie

08-05-2002, 10:53 AM

what?? you don't believe in jebus?

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philby

08-05-2002, 11:05 AM

Hey chickenhawk, it's my opinion, not the definitive answer. You don't like it go back to worshipping your false god and be happy!

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cozmokramer

08-05-2002, 11:12 AM

In a way I'm with you philby and in a way I'm not. I don't think god is a certain man that lives in the clouds sitting on a thrown or anything. But there is no reason to put this post. Why do you think it's necessary to warn everyone that there is no point in praying or whatever worshipping activity they do. And I do think it's an afterlife but not heaven or hell , not even science can prove that though. So belive what you want to , but theres no point in trying to take people away from what the belive in.

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philby

08-05-2002, 11:37 AM

Michael Fury

08-05-2002, 11:45 AM

[frantic] "Won't somebody please think of the children?"

"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." Pancho Villa's last words

TomPoo

08-05-2002, 12:48 PM

Here are the current results of religion: Radical muslims intent on destroying Israel. Pedophile priests. Money laundering. Oh, and if you forgot, radicals have declared war against us ,too.I bring this up to question what people are looking for in what is basically a fairy tale? Face every day reality. Try to have fun. Dont hope for something better when you are dead.
yes what you say is true but what also stems from Religion are countelss amounts of philantropies that go un-noticed and un-recognized.

For example

The Catholic Relief Services whose efforts to alleviate poverty, hunger,homelessness and other human suffering in
more than 85 countries.

and the American Jewish World Wide is an independent not-for-profit organization to help alleviate poverty, hunger and disease among the people of the world regardless of race, religion or nationality.

or how about Islamic Relief World Wide, an international organization that seeks to promote economic and social development by working with local communities through relief and development programmes in development, emergency relief or orphan support in nature.

and not to mention a little Christian organization called the Salvation Army.

while yes... a small group of people are misguided... but for the most part... the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE who are religious and follow the doctrines of there respective religions understand the core message and values, and the outcomes are good.
Unfortunately these organiztaions above and thousands more like them do not get the publicity or the credit they deserve for all the good they bring.

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FMJeff

08-05-2002, 12:53 PM

not another religion post....is this death metal moe?

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Noellevious

08-05-2002, 01:01 PM

In this day and age, I can't believe that so many people still value religion.

There's a difference between the dogma and doctrine of religion and spirituality. I'm a spiritual person, and am not ashamed of it.
Is yor god better than, say a muslim's god? A jew's god?
You're kidding, right? You have to be. 'Cause everyone knows that those three religions all have the same God, one that goes by different names. The only glaring difference is in which prophet each people chose to follow.

What about Hindus?

That's more than one God, so it should be discussed in another arena then the monotheistic religions.

What if I decided that greek mythology was not mythology and I started a new church of zeus?

Plenty of Wiccans already believe in the Greek/Roman pantheons. So sorry, you missed the boat on that one.

Why don't you people just respect each other, live for today and stop this childishness
I live for today b/c I treasure life. I treasure life so much, in fact, that I believe it didn't just spring up from nowhere.

I never preach and always respect everyone's beliefs, but you using September 11th to aid your agenda is just as dispicable and disgusting as Jerry Falwell blaming the attack on homosexuals and the pro choice movement. Truly sad.

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philby

08-05-2002, 02:09 PM

You are wrong. If there was no religion, PERIOD, then we wouldn't be suffering the majority of it's "fruit", which is nothing but rotten as far as I can tell. And don't try your "9/11 references are sacred" crap with me. Religion is the direct cause of it , genius.

Must...build...the...pyramid.

blakjeezis

08-05-2002, 02:16 PM

Uh oh, I feel the wind kicking up. Hurricane Horde King should be touching down any moment.

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ADF

08-05-2002, 02:20 PM

Nietzsche has nothing on Philby.

Naw, I don't believe in any of that god crap, but I don't care what people believe as long as it makes them happy and doesn't ruin my day.

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Aggie

08-05-2002, 02:23 PM

but I don't care what people believe as long as it makes them happy and doesn't ruin my day
have you accepted god in your life adf? i will now start emailing you missionary writings until you accept it. believe dammit!

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Captain Rooster

08-05-2002, 03:32 PM

Why do people get some sort of satisfaction in bashing religion and the believers of this world?

I was at a retreat this weekend and I was floored by the amount of love some people have for each other. I met some of the most selfless, humble, charitable people I have ever seen or had the pleasure of meeting.

I was introduced to people from a group called Compassion International . These people sponsor children in African countries and support relief organizations that try to save people from the ravages of AIDs.

Also, I learned a great deal about the life of Mother Theresa. There is no way for me to deny that she conducted her life in a Holy manner. I can't even articulate the feelings I had when I heard of how she dedicated her life to the poor and the dignity of the dying in Calcutta, India.

I will just say this. I try to live by the teachings of Christ. I do my best but I fall far short of glory and righteousness. That does not mean that I should give up on trying to walk in the ways of a God that based his entire life on the bettrment of his fellow man and the lives of the poor and marginalized.

It is sad when a person who obviously has not even read the teachings of Christ wants to bash those who try to follow his teaching.

I know that I am not an authority on all theology but I do know a little about basic human needs and the love that I have been shown and have shown in the name of a God that died while preaching love and forgiveness.

Please. read before you speak and do not generalize and summarize what you heard through the media.

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blakjeezis

08-05-2002, 03:55 PM

I think that's the deal, Rooster. It's just become the fashionable thing to do.

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ADF

08-05-2002, 03:55 PM

I believe in the power of cheese. Behold, the power of cheese. 
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Captain Rooster

08-05-2002, 03:58 PM

Cheese has supernatural powers. 'Nuff said

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synthfiend

08-05-2002, 06:30 PM

Opinions are like assholes. Here's mine and it stinks just like all of yours. I am so sick of God taking the blame for all of man's bullshit. YOu're all so quick to look for a scapegoat that doesn't face you to take responsibility for your own actions. When are you going to realise that everything you're blaming on God some MAN did. That's right. A stupid meat puppet just like you and me. The Holy Wars, the Inquisition, the death and destruction. All of it was borne out of man's need to control man. I wish you knew SOMETHING about God rather than knowing "everything" about God and taking your views on God from what you saw some man do. In closing I need to point out that the Gods are NOT the same with different names. The only sure fire way for a Muslim to get into heaven is to kill an infidel in a Holy War. Jesus made it a little easier than that.

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08-05-2002, 06:34 PM

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Cybersoldier

08-05-2002, 06:36 PM

I think there a god, Futurama the epsiode's name is godfellas and kinda makes the point.

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ADF

08-05-2002, 07:03 PM

yes

they're talking about cheezeemee

I worship CZM and his cheesey goodness.

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GvacNoMore

08-05-2002, 07:23 PM

It's funny to me how vehement some people will be in their hatred of religion and denial in the existence of something greater than ourselves.

I also don't understand how unfeeling they can be in tearing down something that another may hold very dear and sacred.

If you're so sure mankind is the be-all end-all in this universe, be happy about it and don't mock or belittle those who chose to believe otherwise.

It's not like any of us know for sure who is right, anyway.

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Pootertoot

08-05-2002, 07:36 PM

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Listen...talk out your asses all you want, you'll absolutely positively never know for certain either way. The only thing I DO know for certain is that you're making everyone else miserable by forcing your beliefs on them.

Ah, the atheists sighed a relief, the believers sighed a relief. I'm talking to ALL of you, including YOU, spanky...I could give two shits if god speaks to you personally on a nightly basis unless you can send him my way without you as a middleman. If he wants to speak to me, I'm fairly sure he has the power to do so himself. Hell, the Jehovah's Witnesses won't leave me the fuck alone, I'd LOVE for god to knock on my door so I can stop being bothered by his telemarketers.

Here are the facts as I know them, simplified and retardified for I do not care to put in much effort:

1) god has never spoken to me, or at least attempted to contact me in any way shape or form. I know he's the creator of all things, selfless, cold and composed, and needn't trifle with one of the billion sperm that made it, but if that's the case, why the hubub? If he was so hot on having me at his beck and call, and I've been snubbing him like a fat chick at the beach, I'm sure I would've been smote by now (is smote the past tense of smite? I'm fairly sure it's not smitten)

So either: A) There is no god or B) God doesn't care if I worship him or not. It does seem rather silly and human-like to demand worship when you are, after all, the creator of all things.

2) The bible was written by a bunch of kooks and I dare anyone to tell me otherwise. They can't agree with each other on the largest of details.

Here are some fun ones, just from Jesus alone:

-The Amazing Travels of the Baby Jesus:
In Matthew, after the three wise men give their baby shower gifts to Mary and Little Big Guy, they hightail it to Egypt.

In Luke, they remained in Bethlehem for some wacky purification to take place, then they went to Jerusalem, then back home to Nazareth. I guess Luke wasn't a big fan of the Egypt leg of the journey AND he fucks the wise men over for ANY credit. They're not even mentioned! Sure the other two gifts were shit, but what about the guy who gave GOLD!? Gold is good shit. Ungreatful Baby Jesus.

-Remember the nice story of Simon, the guy that carried Jesus' cross for him? That came from Mark. Ask John (19:17), never happened, Jesus was on his own.

-Remember that nice little ditty you heard in church about the two criminals that were crucified alongside Jesus, and one was nasty to him, one was nice, and the nice one got to heaven? That comes from Luke. But if you went and asked Matthew (27:44), they were both assholes.

-What were Jesus last words?

Matthew and Mark: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Luke: "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit."
John: "It is finished." (now that's some cool last words for Jesus. If only he exploded and took out half the town in the end.)

-Who did the women [which women? Oh yeah, they don't agree.] see when they arrived at daybreak(Mark 16:2)/dark(John 20:1) to find the tomb open (Luke 24:2) /closed (Matthew 28:1-2)?

Was it a young man (Mark 16:5)? Or two men (Luke 24:4)? Or an angel (Matthew 28:2)? Or two angels (John 20:11-12)?

Now those are just from the birth, death, and resurrection, which essentially all of christianity is founded on (without that, Jesus is just David Copperfield with nicer abs) so you'd think with the Divine Guidance of Our Holy Ghostwriter, they'd get their facts straight.

Add to that the general kooky tone, absurd laws, and antiquated bullshit that is about as useful as a condom in amish country, and it's readily apparent that this is just a bunch of spent ejaculate in holy book form,

3) I'm bored with myself from writing this, so I'll leave you with this:

It's not so scary knowing that you're alone. It's not so bad to look out into the vastness of space an

Captain Rooster

08-05-2002, 08:19 PM

Jesus' gospels are accounts of the life of Christ. No?

When we tell a story, are the very words we speak the exact same as the first time we told a story? No. The words may change but the context is the same.

Have you ever seen the wind? I have seen the effects of the wind but I have never seen the wind.

Does it not exist? Look at the humanity around you and tell me if God does not exist.

I see him. I see his work between all of the hatred and all of the evil that this world wants to glorify.

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Pootertoot

08-05-2002, 08:53 PM

The wind is tangible, measurable. But did god create the wind because it's there? That's not a logical conclusion to jump to.

I take issue with the fact that the supposed end-all be-all on god can't agree within its own pages. If you get the story of christ wrong, how are we not to know you're not getting the facts wrong?

And as for a 2,000 year old book, how is it any less absurd than the Odyssey?

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Pootertoot

08-05-2002, 08:58 PM

Just to clarify, I don't want to sound like I'm attacking anyone. I'm not. I respect your right to believe whatever you want and I encourage you to keep thinking about it, it's one of the few worthwhile things you can do in this life.

In the end, we're all still friends regardless of our beliefs, it's not the beliefs that brought us together, but it could be the beliefs that break us apart, and I for one am not willing to let that happen.

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TomPoo

08-06-2002, 03:47 AM

I respect your right to believe whatever you want and I encourage you to keep thinking about it, it's one of the few worthwhile things you can do in this life.

and that is really gets back to the main debate of this thread.

Whether the existance of a supreme force exists is not the issue - the issue is if having Religion causes more harm in this world than good??? - And is it really Relgiion that cause the harm or is it people's mis-guided interpretations of various scriptures???

I have stated my views on this enough already - and I agree on pooters statement above.

And I don't understand why people like phillby are so hostile towards other who disagree with there viewpoints.

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TomPoo

08-06-2002, 03:58 AM

I live for today b/c I treasure life. I treasure life so much, in fact, that I believe it didn't just spring up from nowhere.

Noellevious, that says it all perfectly

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YueStarlight390

08-06-2002, 05:14 AM

When people have faith it gives them hope. obviously something started everything. whether it was evolution or whatever. god said he'd send angels as messengers and gaurdians. he gave us descriptions of them. and if you read as frequently as i do. angels don't all have wings. i interpet messengers as people that make you think about life. my angel was my friend james. no matter how annoying and bitchy he is he still guided me in all the ways i needed. my life was complete chaos before i met my best friend. then he showed me patience and more importantly gave me the willpower to live after being suicidal. I had once thought i was the most pathetic thing on earth. now i know i am not. beleive it or not there are more pathetic things out there then badly dressed men who call themselves manly when they are more woman than my own mother. But always remember. A soul mate is someone you can learn from and grow. and no matter how hard life gets. love will always be a force of some kind. whether its romantic or just love of people. Once you find a path you find religeon. and possibly then you will find peace. Don't give up on your god. if theres no beleif in some kind of better place than this planet. whats left for you to live. i still beleive that i will oneday be united with some kind of divine force. i make no claim to know exactly what it is but its out there.
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tomhitch

08-07-2002, 01:32 PM

God is Dead and Being Buggered By Al Dukes......

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