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El Mudo
07-21-2002, 06:54 PM
i thought it was pretty good....the main event saved it. i wish there wouldve been a hardcore match or something. was it just me or was every single match a title match?

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NatureboyNB
07-21-2002, 07:28 PM
It's the best PPV since WM, which isn't really saying too much. The main event was above-average, but it's pointless for Rock to win the title. Now it's clear he's gonna do the job to Brock (does ANYONE actually think Brock is WWE champ material???).

The tag title match was ok, but very predictable.

Fallon
07-21-2002, 07:55 PM
I enjoyed the tables match, except for the Dudleyz winning.

I also like RVD/Lesnar except for the ending.

And I liked the main event, except for the ending.

Angle kicked both their asses but was only in the match so the god damn Undertaker wouldn't have to be pinned when he lost the title. I hope Taker tears his fucking quad.

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El Mudo
07-21-2002, 07:59 PM
i liked how they did each other's finishing moves...i almost jumped out of my seat when the rock did that chokeslam...

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phixion
07-22-2002, 06:42 AM
eheheheh i thought it was arite
nuthin special
i hate the rock the worst champ ever and hes had it 7 times?

bret must be turnin over in a puddle of his own piss and drool

and y the hell isnt benoit main eventing? hes small but hes just as good as angle and hhh if only he had mic skills

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fatty
07-22-2002, 06:49 AM
i said this on another thread but big show booker t was a really good match. rvd lesner was great, and the main event was awesome.

this ppv proved that angle is the best wrestler today. no one wrestles with more intensity, better moves, and believable matches. he's the number one guy as far as i'm concerned, truly a class act and a future legend.

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IAMTHEGAME
07-22-2002, 06:59 AM
That was a funny ass Bret Hart comment!I thought the ppv wasnt as good as K.O.T.R. but it had its moments.Booker t. is now officially over he really had a great night.Rvd and Brock was good but the finish sucked every night a ref gets pulled out of the ring and their is no dq but last night all of a sudden they rang the bell.And can someone explain why the guy who ran ECW cant sell a punch?The worst part of the main event was the fact that the spoiler came out and WWE didnt even try to change things up If Rock is leaving in the first week of Sept. and SummerSlam is the last week of August well then isnt it obvious Brock will be the "next big thing"?Angle kicked ass for like the 3000th time in a row he deserves the belt and I hate to say it but Undertaker had a decent run.

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Spooky Tooth
07-22-2002, 09:06 AM
RIP OFF!

JerryTaker
07-22-2002, 10:13 AM
Angle kicked both their asses but was only in the match so the god damn Undertaker wouldn't have to be pinned when he lost the title. I hope Taker tears his fucking quad.

Yeah, because the undertaker is the type of guy that always have to have the belt, holding it a total of what? 3 times in 12 years? The only reason Vince put the strap on taker is because he didn't feel like he could sell anyone else as champ with Rock and HHH away.... Taker has never, ever demanded the world title, or any title, for that matter, and he has put over so many young guys in the company, especially in the past year, and people want to do nothing but bash him.

Leave the undertaker alone and start looking at the no-talent, no selling assholes like Hogan and the Rock when it comes to the ruination of the company....

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phixion
07-22-2002, 11:57 AM
amen jerry taker
is there a cult ur starting so i could join?
cuz i loved taker my whole life specially wen he tombstoned hogan on to a steel chair

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blakjeezis
07-22-2002, 01:53 PM
I thought it was the best WWE PPV in a long time. Pretty much all the matches were solid, the storylines were advanced or finished as needed, and finally a Main Event lived up to its billing. I have just two questions, though. Is Kurt Angle not the best wrestler in the Fed right now and deservant of any and all accolades, and is it just me, or does Ms. Stephanie McMahon just keep getting hotter and f'kn hotter? God I wanna bone her.

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DarkHippie
07-22-2002, 03:05 PM
Yeah, because the undertaker is the type of guy that always have to have the belt, holding it a total of what? 3 times in 12 years? The only reason Vince put the strap on taker is because he didn't feel like he could sell anyone else as champ with Rock and HHH away.... Taker has never, ever demanded the world title, or any title, for that matter, and he has put over so many young guys in the company, especially in the past year, and people want to do nothing but bash him.
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Se7en
07-22-2002, 07:39 PM
A better effort than previous months, but still quite flawed.

I have only 2 major gripes:

1) Benoit is GOD. Guerrero is also a god, but not in the same pantheon of deity as Benoit. Neither of them, should ever, ever, ever, eeeeeeevvvvvveeeeerrrr have to job to THAT FAT FUCK PIECE OF SHIT Bubba Dudley. I don't care if they're wrestling that cumstain with both hands tied behind their back and blindfolded - it is a TRAVESTY that they even have to waste their time with that fat, pathetic ass.

2) Rock getting the title is bad. It's hotshotting for a short-term ratings boost. And it further devalues the belt because Rock has had, what? 1 match on Smackdown prior to this title win? Yay. Guy is gone for 2 or 3 months, and IMMEDIATELY he gets the title back. I don't so much mind Rock having the belt; it's just that I dislike how it was done and we all know that he won't be holding it after August. The fact that he'll likely job it to Lesnar is disheartening as well.

Taker has never, ever demanded the world title, or any title, for that matter

Taker has been known, in the past, to complain directly to Vince if he is not involved in a high profile storyline or angle.

, and he has put over so many young guys in the company, especially in the past year, and people want to do nothing but bash him.

Why don't you ask guys like Sean O'Haire & Mike Awesome about Undertaker's way of "putting over" the younger talent.

DDP would also apply there, although he's not "young".

Undertaker does not put over younger talent. I know, you'll quote me names like Jeff Hardy or Tommy Dreamer as recent examples. Naw naw naw. Beating the shit out of someone EVERY WEEK is not putting them over. Some people in the fan community seem to think Undertaker gave Hardy some sort of a rub.....where is it? EVERY match they had, Undertaker beat the shit out of Hardy. Hardy was never presented as having a whiff of a chance to win, except for maybe half-a-second in their ladder match. But Jeff still got the shit beat out of him. And his reward - a handshake? That's putting him over? And where is Hardy now? Still in the midcard of RAW. Some rub. RVD has come the closest to getting anything resembling a "rub" from Taker, but even RVD's been beaten pretty much every time he's faced Taker.

It's not all Taker's fault; part of it is how he's booked. But let's be realistic. He's 40 years old, he's not half as mobile or able in the ring as he once was, and his career is (or at least should be) winding down. It's time he DOES pick somebody to put over. Van Dam would be a good start.

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JerryTaker
07-22-2002, 10:22 PM
Undertaker does not put over younger talent. I know, you'll quote me names like Jeff Hardy or Tommy Dreamer as recent examples. Naw naw naw. Beating the shit out of someone EVERY WEEK is not putting them over.

How about Kama? Brian Lee? Mick Foley when he was completerly unknown to most WWF fans? how about providing a springboard for the Acolytes, for Edge and Christian, and for Kane?

and serioously, how can the Undertaker <I>not</I> be high on the card, especially now, when it's expected that he'd beat the crap out of nearly everyone in the fed. And I don't recall any of his feuding with Kane to be at the top of the card. I know it wasn't for any titles. UT took a back seat while guys like Austin, HHH, Rock, Angle, and Jericho becasme main eventers, in fact, UT has been like a gateway into the main event. If you could hold your own in a battle with the dead man, you were ready, win or lose....

Anyway, that's my opinion, maybe Taker has an ego, but I think if anyone on that roster really deserves to have one, it's him....

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hatetreehighway
07-23-2002, 09:03 AM
the ppv sucked... raw should have been the ppv... the whole vengence card was filled with scrubs.. spike,noble,regal,cena, and i dont care what ya tell me. BROCK IS A SUCKER.. A PUMPED UP POPPA PUMP WITH A SPLASH OF GOLDBERG..... bigslow,cristain, and oldman hogan.... scrub per view is more like it.... RAW WAS THE REAL VENGENCE...... <P> ps: build a the true cliq the canadian cliq... Y2J THE LEADER...members storm,edge,cristian,test. <P> CONGRATS TO STORM FOR TAG TEAM TITLE LITTLE PUSH... but for how long.. and just when ya thinK bookerS getting the push they yank it awAy from the master of the spinaroooni..... YOUR ALL JUS.....S-U-C-K--A------S <P> [/quote] <P>

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Se7en
07-23-2002, 02:49 PM
How about Kama? Brian Lee?

These aren't two of the best examples. I wouldn't count Kama, because what's become of him? He went though another dozen gimmick changes, and never went farther than the midcard. And barely in the midcard at that. Nothing much ever became of Brian Lee, either, but if Undertaker DID put Lee over in any way, it's only because they're legit best friends in real life.

Mick Foley when he was completerly unknown to most WWF fans?

This is an interesting point. I wouldn't necessarily say that Undertaker put Foley over. Foley got himself over with the WWF fans by killing himself a piece at a time every time he walked out to the ring. Plus by the time he was feuding with Taker he also had some good matches with Michaels & Austin. The Undertaker / Foley feud is really only memorable because of the Hell in the Cell match.....which Undertaker won by destroying Mick. So I'm not sure if I'd exactly count that as Foley getting over through Undertaker.

how about providing a springboard for the Acolytes, for Edge and Christian, and for Kane?

Kane is the only one of the examples listed here who I would agree with. The Acoyltes have never been THAT over, and are one of the most forgettable tag teams in the entire history of the WWF/E. The team got their start in the whole Ministry of Darkness storyline, but c'mon, they were never anything more than cannon fodder there. And afterwards, they didn't do a whole lot. Won the tag titles a couple times, but hell, that's a feat that's been accomplished by Crash Holly. Edge & Christian, I don't know where you pulled them from, unless you're counting when E&C lost (and then regained) the tag titles to Rock & Taker....that wasn't a prolonged feud, and E&C really didn't get much from the short angle.

Kane is the only guy who has probably benefited from his association with the Undertaker. Although there's flaws to that, in that 1) he was booked from the beginning to be Undertaker's equal (aka noselling monster), and 2) when Taker & Kane are on the same side (face or heel), Kane always takes the subservient role. Still, I'll give you Kane. Kane got a rub from Taker. But not many others have.

and serioously, how can the Undertaker not be high on the card, especially now, when it's expected that he'd beat the crap out of nearly everyone in the fed....... UT took a back seat while guys like Austin, HHH, Rock, Angle, and Jericho becasme main eventers, in fact, UT has been like a gateway into the main event. If you could hold your own in a battle with the dead man, you were ready, win or lose....

That's what I said when some of it's his booking - he's booked as this monster who no one can stop....which worked fine when he was the dead guy, but now as the hardcore redneck biker guy, and at his age, he should be being portrayed as a *little* more vulnerable. He shouldn't no-sell stuff like Kurt Angle's ankle-lock when Angle's slapped it on him for about 4 minutes straight. Stuff like that is ridiculous no matter how Taker is presented.

But your comment about being a gateway is EXACTLY how I think Taker should be used. A feud with Taker SHOULD propell a guy into the main event....but that's not happening lately. Closest who's come to this is RVD.

Anyway, that's my opinion, maybe Taker has an ego, but I think if anyone on that roster really deserves to have one, it's him....

This is what I strongly disagree with. Naturally, guys have egos. But if ones ego gets so big that it starts to hurt the product (I'm looking at you, HHH), then there's a problem. I don't think Taker's ego is quite that big, but there have been rumors. And they're just rumors, to be fair, but when you hear stuff about Undertaker badmouthing a guy like Mike Awesome, and then next thing you know Awesome is being sent down to the developmentals.....you start to wonder.




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