Airport Security...

[Aggie]

OK, I'm just starting this thread for general discussion, I'm not here to bitch, I just want to share some of my observations while traveling since 9-11.

Although airport security has been tighter and may have even prevented some other incidents, I still don't think it is where it needs to be. I fly quite a bit, and keep in mind alot of that flying is on Southwest between Houston and Dallas, so the security issues might not be as tight in a smaller airport.

I am not that nervous about flying, but some of the security things I have seen make it worse. First of all, my name was misspelled on my ticket and I pointed it out to numerous people explaining why it didn't match my lisence and a guard actually said "I don't care about that, I just need your boarding pass." In a similar situation, when my mom just flew here to visit, she has a license with no photo so she usually has to use her passport, she forgot it and they didn't even mention that there was no picture, there was no verification that she was the name on her license or ticket. And last time I flew from Newark to Houston, my mom and I just walked up to a counter to try and get a security pass (we honestly didn't think we could, but we thought we would try) to see if she could come to the gate and wait with me and they gave it to us with no problems. (I'm 23, there is no reason my mom needs to wait with me).

Granted these are not major things, but it's the little stuff they least expect that sneaks through. Seeing as I travel alot, I'm the last person to want more rules and procedures, but I would rather be safe. It's worth the hassle to me for them to ENFORCE the rules. And they need to do something about the salaries of the workers, most of them still seem very apathetic about enforcing the new rules, they NEED to care, for our peace of mind. Let me just end saying I am a PROUD American and I am not bashing anyone, I know we are doing what we can for now, there is A LOT of stuff to take care of, but as a frequent traveler, this needs to be addressed in the very near future.

Does anyone have any stories or comments on this?

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[Bill From Yorktown]

Almost no measures to insure our safety is unreasonable, as long as they have a positive effect on security. What gets me are some measures that make no sense at all and are inconvenient.

Turning on a laptop in front of security - please you know as well as I how much inside the pc can be removed and filled with "whatever" and still get the beep noise.

For a while they banned all electronics and cameras - again doing that only inconveniences people.

More xrays, more metal detectors, more bomb detectors, and more profiling of people for individual scans are needed, as well as
1 better examining of checked bags
2 better screening of employees

[ToddEVF]

Augest 1st i leave for a week i florida and i am scared s-less of flying. I don'y like it at all. now what was considered a carry-on is now luggage and goes below. i feel like it'll be a death trap with family.

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[furie]

I have seen make it worse. First of all, my name was misspelled on my ticket and I pointed it out to numerous people explaining why it didn't match my lisence and a guard actually said "I don't care about that, I just need your boarding pass."


that actually is not a security proceedure. it's done to limit the number of people entering the sterile area, the are beyond the screening checkpoint, now that the TSA is paying for things.

And last time I flew from Newark to Houston, my mom and I just walked up to a counter to try and get a security pass (we honestly didn't think we could, but we thought we would try) to see if she could come to the gate and wait with me and they gave it to us with no problems.


Same as before. Also these aren't security proceedures. Having a license doesn't mean anything. All of the terrorist had driver licenses, and contrary to popular belief, it's not a very secure document. It's easily obtainable document, and you can get a valid one in any name with any address you want as long as you bring the easily forged documents with you to the DMV. Again, that's not seciurity, just to make the lives of the screeners that much easier.

It's the same reason they now limit carry on items to one bag and one personal item. it's not to prevent a terror attack, it to speed things up, since the government's paying for it now. So it you see someone with 2 bags is that a security issue?

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[Oh So Nessa]

Last summer, I returned Sept.
1st From Bulgaria. I flew from
Sofia, to Warsaw and from
Warsaw to JFK. In Warsaw, not
only did I not have anyone check
my hand bags, but I walked onto
the wrong flight without a
problem. After I realised this I of
course went onto the right one,
and again with no questions
asked. Comming into JFK I was
searched and also sent to a
Customs officer so he could go
through my things. He went
through my luggage peice by
peice. It seems that there is must
more security arriving than there
is leaving. Also a few years ago I
was leaving for London and I left
JFK and arrived there fine,
comming home, they stopped me
for having pepper spray which I
had with me when I came in the
first place. I almost missed my
flight due to having to have a
meeting with another Customs
officer and signing a release form
stating that I turned over the
"weapon" and they could destroy
it..why it was let in, when I
arrived was my biggest question.
I think that the saftey concernes
should start at the front doors.
The check in counters are so
busy and I think it is a tragedy
waiting to happen. I was going
to return to Bulgaria again this
summer, but I don't think I am
ready to fly yet.I don't think I will
be for a long ass time.

[labyrinth1986]

I hope the airline security tightens up as we progress to fight this terrorism.

The only thing that I see stopping any advancement in airline security, is the fact that the governemnt doesn't want to waste lots of money to invest in our security with all of our major airports. They assume it will cost taxpayers incredible amounts of money a day to check everyperson and everything going to and from in the airport.

But you see, there is a way to get that necessary money to fund security. We should stop funding Israel and its military murderers and stop giving them money to murder poor, humble people.

We can save all whole lot of money by doing this. But the government doesn't care, they just want an extra base in the Middle East to create more havoc. Did you know that NYC Public Schools were promised $200 Million dollars to fund the system, but the goverment "decided" to give it to Israel? Its things like this that gets the world to hate us.

I am going to London in August and I hope that my flight goes well. As long as us, the flyers, play the role of security and point things out, outloud, then we will be the ones triumphant.

Thanks

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[furie]

Comming into JFK I was searched and also sent to a Customs officer so he could go through my things. He went through my luggage peice by
peice. It seems that there is must
more security arriving than there
is leaving


No

That's not security, that's USCS looking for contraband.

I turned over the
"weapon" and they could destroy
it..why it was let in, when I
arrived was my biggest question.


prior to 9/11, pepper spay was not banned by the FAA.
If i'm reading this right, the UK authorities confiscated your pepper spray. Diffrent country, diffrent laws

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[Aggie]

Oh no! I see this thread going off course...

It's the same reason they now limit carry on items to one bag and one personal item. it's not to prevent a terror attack, it to speed things up, since the government's paying for it now. So it you see someone with 2 bags is that a security issue?

Furie-I wasn't thinking that these incidents were a big security breech. My point was ENFORCEMENT of these things, becaue if they are not enforcing these small non-security issues (as you pointed out) what makes me think they are enforcing the other REAL security risks. I've had my tweezers taken away twice, what good is that going to do? A weapon can be made with almost anything...I just want to be safe when I fly and I don't think I should have to worry if they are doing their jobs.

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[furie]

The only thing that I see stopping any advancement in airline security, is the fact that the governemnt doesn't want to waste lots of money to invest in our security with all of our major airports. They assume it will cost taxpayers incredible amounts of money a day to check everyperson and everything going to and from in the airport.


No. What's preventing the government is time. they will have eveyone searched and every bag screened, and not just by x-ray, by december. it's taken this long to get enough new employees together and to train them. it's a huge task. And all this has already been funded.

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[furie]

My point was ENFORCEMENT of these things, becaue if they are not enforcing these small non-security issues (as you pointed out) what makes me think they are enforcing the other REAL security risks. I've had my tweezers taken away twice, what good is that going to do? A weapon can be made with almost anything...


I assure you that the screeners are not enforcing anything, nor are they entrusted to do so. Everything the public see's is window dressing and has little to do with security and most of it would not prevent 9/11. The real security and those who enforce it are not seen by the public. But what they do has tighten greatly, and a similar attack is unlikly.

don't sweat the small stuff. things like tweezers are taken just so people to say, wow they're"really starting to tighen up things! "

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This message was edited by furie on 7-17-02 @ 11:52 AM