India/Pakistan On The Brink: Does ANYBODY Care?

[The Blowhard]

Nukes people. This is fucking serious.
If they nuke each other, it could be WWIII.
Remember, China is a neighbor.
The end is near..does anybody care?

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[Tall_James]

I, for one, am terrified of the consequences. I liken these two to two retards having a fight. It makes little sense but it is gonna get real ugly, real nasty, real fast.

If the nukes fly, oh boy.

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[Jackie Sloan]

Personally I hope they completely kill each other off. Of course with nukes involved it's serious. but truthfully those bastards, both sides, have been nothing but trouble for a very long time. I hope they all die - scumbags!

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[DarkHippie]

the nuclear fallout from the pissing contest between these two will be enough to poison us all for generations. If something isn't done, we are all dead

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[furie]

I care, but honestly, if it weren't
for the nukes, I wouldn't.



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[Pootertoot]

I could care less if they kill themselves, just smuggle out those god cows first. TASTY.

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[irishkb]

Man this is some serious shit... they are fighting over some stupid piece of land just like the morons in Isereal(sp).. and yet again the USA government has put all of us in the middle.. nothing of good can come out of this confrontation... simply put all that will come of this is death.. if Mr Powel and Rumsfled(sp) are smart they will pull every American out of that area including our troops... With no Americans over there, there is no chance of any country blaming us for something.. Nuking the people that you want in your country is just dumb.. so is nuking the land you want to take.. as i said no good can come of this.. i just hope cooler heads prevail in this one..

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[sunndoggy8]

It makes little sense but it is gonna get real ugly, real nasty, real fast.


Actually, it makes a whole lot of sense that they would eventually fight, considering past wars, tension between the countries, and the terrorism in Kashmir.

Personally I hope they completely kill each other off. Of course with nukes involved it's serious. but truthfully those bastards, both sides, have been nothing but trouble for a very long time. I hope they all die - scumbags!

This is a stupid, ignorant, idiotic, and absolutely disgusting statement...but that's obvious.

I personally am pretty worried, because I do have close relatives who live in New Delhi and Bombay...hopefully the US will step in, cause neither sides look like they're going to back down.





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[sunndoggy8]

they are fighting over some stupid piece of land just like the morons in Isereal(sp)

I think the conflict there is a little bit more complicated than just that.

and yet again the USA government has put all of us in the middle

I think when nuclear war is at stake, it's a good idea for the US to step in...ya know, to avoid millions of deaths a possible WW3...again just my opinion there.

Nuking the people that you want in your country is just dumb

Huh? Who wants who in what country now? Last time I checked, Pakistan got rid of or segregated all hindus/sihks in the country, and were sneaking terrorists over the border...I'm pretty sure neither country wants the other's people in theirs...so again, huh?

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[ShelleBink]

welcome to the world, i never said it'd be safe.

the nuclear detenation devices that are housed in India and Pakistan CAN and WILL affect the United States if used. Besdies the amount of radiation blasted off into the atmosphere, which would eventually come to the United States ((but much less deadly, only because of the fucking mess the ozone is)) and give us more birth defects/cancer than we can even have Jim Norton joke about. And, depending on how many nuclear devices are exploded ((lack of a better word)), it could blow off a chunk of the earth, sending our gravitational pull into a disorder. So, to answer your question. I care. I don't wanna die, but unfortunately, its a day to day risk here and now :(

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[Garfield]

Its so screwed up, technologically we are so advanced yet socially we are still barbarians...when will we ever learn?:(

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[Captain Stubing]

No, frankly I think the chance of a nuclear engagement are almost zilch (for more reasons then I'll go into here). <P>
What really excites my isotopes is the fact that we, as the worlds official nanny, will have to do the cleanup, rebuild the destroyed areas, etc etc if the improbable does happen. If we don't we'll be labeled uncaring and cold, and if we do we'll be imperialistic and hegemonic. Ugh... <P>

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[Old Guy]

Even if nukes are not used at first--and given any prolonged conflict I'm sure the side being hardest pressed, probably Pakistan would use them--the possibility of drawing in neighboring countries is large. Close by are china, Russia, and Iran to name a few biggies. And things could keep on getting bigger and nastier. We've had 2 world wars already, (maybe 3 if you count the Napoleanic dust up as some do ) it would be nice if we could put the next one off for a while in my opinion . <P> Off topic-WHERE are the picture files on this site-some kind soul please e-mail me and tell me? <P> <P>

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[Orallo]

I actually hope for WW,III. What kind of shitty world do we live in anyway???

3000+ of our inocent people died for no reason and our government sticks its thumb up its ass and does what??? NOTHING!!!

They arrest a few "terrorists" (a.k.a. dumb fuck grunts that dont mean shit) and ship them to Guantanamo, and then what??? again NOTHING!!!

We are getting threats everyday from the government telling us to stay alert and vigilant, and in the mean time what the fuck do they do???

I feel a million times less safe than I did sept, 12th 2001 (at least then, I had the hope that our government would do SOMETHING!!!) 9 months later what have they done??? when it comes down to it... NOTHING.

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[Rev]

it could blow off a chunk of the earth, sending our gravitational pull into a disorder.


LMAO!!!

see?! Even at the brink of nuclear war... there is humor to be found!

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[synthfiend]

I definitely care but only because I have a serious jones for Indian women.

Justice, like Lightning should ever appear...to some men hope..to other men FEAR.

[Death Metal Moe]

We SHOULD care, but let's get real, for the most part we don't. Even after 9/11, we all still live in a fog.

It is indeed sad.

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[Garfield]

I actually hope for WW,III. What kind of shitty world do we live in anyway???
The kind where people like you and me have been letting shit like this go on for too long.

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[Hardcorekid]

F*ck the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their f'in' crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks


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I dun see the problem...

[sunndoggy8]

Orallo, so you want war and millions of death? Because anyone who thinks that nuclear war between India and Pakistan will somehow solve the world's problems with terrorism is nuts. I understand you're upset about 9/11, but 25+ million people dying isn't all that much progress.

F*ck the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their f'in' crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks

huh?


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[A.J.]

I think that if they go to "war" again it will be a conventional exchange as has happened before (lobbing artillery into each other's territory). Given the fact that India and Pakistan are neighbors, it's unlikely that they would use nukes since the attacker would suffer the effects of nuclear fallout as much as the one who was attacked -- this happened during the Iran-Iraq war when chemical weapons killed people on both sides.

What really excites my isotopes is the fact that we, as the worlds official nanny, will have to do the cleanup, rebuild the destroyed areas, etc etc if the improbable does happen. If we don't we'll be labeled uncaring and cold, and if we do we'll be imperialistic and hegemonic. Ugh...


You're right Captain -- it's the price we pay for being the founding member of the nuclear club.

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[Noellevious]

I'm shocked the US had to issue a statement that Americans in India should look into leaving in the near future. Of all the places to go...
India vs Pakistan is a big distraction. There's something bigger and uglier lurking around the corner.
Bigger than September 11th?

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[Crickett]

Does anyone care? Sure.

Do any AMERICANS care? Probably not.


War could be declared tomorrow, we could all be dead by the end of the week, but there are still people on the internet who can't stop complaining about who the current Green Lantern is. Isn't civilization grand?


Personally, I think in a few million years, someone on the planet venus will look up and wonder why there are two big red dust ball planets nearby and if they ever supported life.

Personally, I wonder if millions of years ago, there was some odd looking creature looking at a flat panel screen pressing buttons with strange symbols wondering the same thing I am now..... on Mars.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I highly doubt the nukes will fly. India is run by decent people (It is the world's biggest democracy.) A nation like India considers themselves too dignified to drop the bomb first. India has a considerably larger stockpile than Pakistan, so if Pakistan dropped it first it would be suicide. There are not enough nukes for MAD, but there are enough for the assured destruction of Pakistan. This leaves us with a nuclear stalemate. Whether they go to war is another story...

Another complicated issue is China. The Chinese have long hated India for border disputes and the spread of democracy. If they go to war, China would be Pakistan's new best friend and possibly a player in the war. That leaves America in an uncomfortable situation. It must take India's side for political reasons, but must also remain friendly with Pakistan or it could offer safe-haven to Al Qaeda.

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[Yerdaddy]

"Wiping out all the towel-heads" or "letting them wipe themselves out" is the stupidest thing that an American could ever say. If we did it, we would become the worst mass murderers in human history, making Hitler look like a high school bully. We would never have security for ourselves again. If they do it themselves, it would make the world so volatile that the United States would have to hide in a cave while the rest of the world caved in around us. It would effect every American life in a way we haven't seen since the Great Depression. So to move beyond the retart-speak of people who don't want to know how this world works, I'll post what I understand about the Kashmir situation. I recently had a long talk with a friend who was a special atache to Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s, and worked in the US embassies in Pakistan and Indonesia. So I feel comfortable with my views and would like to share with those who are interested, (it's probably choppy and confusing, but it's taken too much time from my fart jokes already). So if you're not interested, don't read this. If you want a simple world that fits into a shoolyard metaphor of things, move to Pennsylvania and build barns. It's as simple as that.

India and Pakistan have been at war, off and on, over Kashmir since the formation of the two countries in 1947. It is a stupid feud over land, and most of the people that live there don't want to be a part of either country. It could be solved peacefully if the nations of the world really wanted to do it. In the mean time, this is the closest India and Pakistan have come to war since they both went nuclear in 1998 and 1999. Preventing war now is infinitely more important because with nukes the stakes are infinitely higher, not just for India and Pakistan, but for the world. A nuclear war anywhere, even in South Asia, jeopardizes our security because it diminishes the deterrence effect of our own nuclear weapons. The use of nukes is the ultimate taboo for nations and the use of nukes breaks that taboo, and makes the next use of nukes much more likely in the foreseeable future.

One of the riskiest points on a war is that even though India is a democracy and has a "no first use" policy on nuclear weapons, Pakistan is not a democracy, does not have a "no first use" policy on nukes, and it's military is less than half the size of India's. This leads to the fear that Pakistan could launch a nuclear attack if the conflict escalates out of control and it appears to be losing to the superior Indian military. Maybe more importantly, Pakistan does not have full control over it's own military institutions. Until this last year, the most powerful political institution in Pakistan was the intelligence service, the ISI. It was the ISI's role in the 80's to aid and distribute money from the US, Saudi Arabia and other countries to the Mujaheddin in the Soviet war. It grew into an organization that was able to overthrow two elected presidents in Pakistan, while continuing to aid the Taliban in Afghanistan. The ISI was disbanded earlier this year, but many of it's officers with ethnic loyalties to Pashtuns and Islamic fundamentalism rather than to the Pakistan government continue to serve in other branches of the military. There has been serious questions about the security of Pakistan's nukes in these circumstances. Even if Pakistan's civilian leadership under Musharraf would not initiate a nuclear attack, they may be launched by a rogue element of the military.

Furthermore, it has been the ISI, along with other fundamentalist elements of the Pakistani military that has been exporting Taliban and Al Quaeda fighters into Kashmir for the last few years. In fact, what these new groups have been doing in Kashmir is take over a largely peaceful movement for independence by the native Kashmiris and impose a violent, fundamentalist Islamic movement in Kashmir as was imposed on Afghanistan by the Taliban. They began imposing extreme shari'a law on Kashmiris several years ago and killing peaceful kashmiri leaders, including a very popular on

[Yerdaddy]

NewYorkDragons - That's a good point about China's interests. It's often forgotten in this. But I don't think that China would be in any hurry to get involved. It is a close ally of Pakistan. But so are we, which puts us in a difficult position. Neither the US or China could benefit in a war against India. India, if anything, is a stablizing force in South Asia. It would be like beating up your sister.

If I had to guess, an India/Pakistan war would bring China and the US closer together by creating a common interest in limiting or ending the war. China really is in no position to fight us militarily. They've only got a piece-meal military of Russian leftovers and Russian and Israeli technology and a handful of nukes. We have too much of an economic investment in China. But there's no way to know really. And it would not be worth the risk for either country.

What bothers me is that we should be working with China on preventing a war, even more than we are now. Problem is, China does have its own interests in Kashmir, but who knows what it is willing to risk to keep them?

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[A.J.]

Yerdaddy -- that was a great post and very accurate.



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[Crickett]

you're the one who started that thread




CZM, I wasn't talking about this message board.


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[Yerdaddy]

Here's an article by Seymour Hersh about the security (or lack of) of Pakistan's nukes.http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?011105fa_FACT

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[NewYorkDragons80]

We would never fight against India, we just couldn't supply them overwhelmingly because it would upset Pakistan. The US and India have a pretty solid relationship. I don't think the fundamentalists in Pakistan are as strong, unified, or significant as everyone thinks they are. Musharraf has a 97% approval rating (Which may be a bit inflated.) Nevertheless, he is popular with the people because he is backing the right horse in the war on terror, getting US aid into an ailing Pakistan, he isn't backing down to India, and he is already planning free elections in the coming years. For this, Musharraf is incredibly popular. It would not be wise for anyone to try to topple him now. Not only would it be bad for Pakistani stability, but it would mean the US wouldn't have any qualms about bombing a fundamentalist, terror-sponsoring Pakistan... especially if this radical nation may contain the world's most wanted man.

About China, don't kid yourself. They glee in anything that hurts the US or its interests. If anything, they would encourage a war because it would drag out our war in Afghanistan. It would be damaging to us, and maybe they can get a bigger piece of the Kashmir pie.

What you said about Kashmir is dead-on. I've never heard a Kashmiri on the news saying they want anything to do with either nation. Nearly every Kashmiri wants their own independent nation.

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[Noellevious]

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[Old Guy]

Bigger and uglier than September 11? Yeah I'm afraid so, ( bigger at least, nothing could ever be uglier ) <P>
But WHAT is the question no one knows the answer to, certainly not me. These certainly are interesting times. <P>
Sigh <P>

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[erole]

and give us more birth defects/cancer than we can even have Jim Norton joke about
That is so damn hot. I think I'm in love.

Look, this is easy people. We get Ben Kingsley in a toga, and fly him down to India to pick up some salt on the beach.
Done. War over.

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And giving a whole new meaning to the

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[Pootertoot]

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[Old Guy]

Whats wrong with beating up your sister?

What did you hear?

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[A.J.]

I'm heading to the moon with the chinks in 2010. Who's with me?


I'd tag along but they have over a billion countrymen (and women) to choose from.

Shit, I'll be 40 then...

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[Pootertoot]

I'd tag along but they have over a billion countrymen (and women) to choose from


And they all look the same. They need a strapping american lad to make the Moon Chinks a bit taller, blonder, and wider-eyed.

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[A.J.]

And they all look the same. They need a strapping american lad to make the Moon Chinks a bit taller, blonder, and wider-eyed.


LOL!

I guess that rules me out! :)

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Fuck 'em. They should both die and let God, or Allah, or whoever the fuck sort 'em out!!

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[erole]

I'm going with Pooter and the moon chinks. They could see Mars from there because they're already squinting.

sorry.


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