View Full Version : Memorial Day/Patriotism...a suggestion
ChrisTheCop
05-26-2002, 09:07 AM
Just thinking that this weekend would be a great time to replace our old torn flags from our cars and offices, etc, with new ones. After september 11th, 95% of cars on the road had some sort of red/white/blue symbolism...today it appears to be down to less than 50%. There's STILL funerals going on almost every week from 9/11. We STILL have troops in Afghanistan who need our support. And lets not forget, Memorial day isnt only about September 11th...its about EVERYONE in America's history who laid down their lives in defense of OUR freedom. Buying a flag for a buck and taping it to your car window really doesnt take long...time it! But it means alot to those who fought in America's wars, and more recently, to those of us who lost loved ones in the attacks on Washington and New York. Sorry for the rant, but...God bless America.
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Aggie
05-26-2002, 09:41 AM
Amen Chris. I agree. My flag sticker looks brand new, but I might by a flag to hang from my balcony.
Patriotism has dwindled since 9/11, but it's not something that should come and go. I personally have 2 grandfathers and fathers and unlces who have served and I owe them my freedom. I felt I needed to change my attitude after I saw Saving Private Ryan, but now it is imperative. Well, just wanted to second your idea Chris that we as citizens need to pay our respects appropriatley.
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Yerdaddy
05-26-2002, 11:41 AM
I appreciate the sentiment, Chris, but I've never been much for symbolism. I believe in America, but even more, I believe in democracy. And I have come to understand democracy as being like muscles, if they aren't used they get weak. Flags are fine, they're like a tank top to show off your muscles, but they don't actually make you stronger. Only action does that.
I think you, Chris, make us stronger every time you go to work. You provide an essential service and you put your life on the line to protect the rest of us. You enforce the laws that the democratic process creates - an essential function. My job - not so essential. I make XML documents for archiving the Journal of Aquatic..zzzzz. Let's just say I have a 9 to 5 job. If I just do my job, put a flag sticker on my truck, and vote in presidential elections, have I pulled my weight in a democracy? I don't believe so. So I make it a point to learn about issues that are important to us as a country (and that interest me) and I lobby Congress and the administration on them. So this Memorial day I plan to spend at the office so I can attend meetings with congressional staffs and lobby them to support democratic reforms in Indonesia.
This is a necessary function of democracy because we, as a democratic country are stronger and more secure in the world if there are more, and stronger, democracies in the world. It's also necessary because politics happens whether we like it to or not. There are large powerful interests that lobby our government to support policies on their behalf, even if it doesn't support the interests of the American public. That's a fact of life. America's policies toward Indonesia supported a military dictatorship in Indonesia for 32 years because it created a good business climate for American companies. But in a democracy, where our government is a reflection of the people, we have to involve ourselves in the process if we want our government's policies to reflect our values. In places like China, Saudi Arabia, and previously in Indonesia, the government is not a reflection of its people because the people go to elections at gunpoint, if they have elections at all. They don't have a free press. They can't lobby or change their governments because their militaries are designed to protect the government from the people. We have the right to change our leaders, and influence policy, but we also have the responsibility to.
So I feel like I'm honoring my own relatives who fought and died in wars when I'm working to avoid wars, by opposing the oppression of people, by supporting America's democratic values in places that don't have the right to share them. And when it seems to me that our policies generally reflect what the American people would want them to do, when congressmen and women who are trying to do the right thing for the world aren't starving for public support, then I'll put on a flag. Right now I think we still have some working out to do. I'm on my high horse again, I know, but that's how I feel.
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zathrus
05-26-2002, 12:40 PM
chris
i agree, thats a wonderful idea.
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legroommusic
05-26-2002, 01:31 PM
Chris, thanks for doing your job. God bless.
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05-27-2002, 08:56 PM
I stil lhavea 20 foot flag hanging out side my bedrom window...all the other flags and support are fading and i will not take it down
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I couldn't agree more, Chris. As you may have noticed, I'm an pretty patriotic guy, but I think it's important for people to know exactly what their patriotism is for. <P>
To me, the flag represents everything our country is meant to stand for, and I hold sacred the Constitution and Declaration of Independence much like a devout Christian would hold sacred the New Testament, a Jew the Talmud, or a Muslim the Koran. <P>
Patriotism should not be confused with blind devotion to whomever happens to be in political power at the time, and actions such as voting and being involved in the political process are incredibly important. Kind of like attending mass in church or temple. <P>
Honoring the flag is just a way of showing your devotion to the ideals of our founding fathers, as well as a show of unity with all others who are fighting for the same ideal. <P>
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wilee
05-28-2002, 05:40 AM
Good points Chris. Displays of patriotism always have a way of inspiring people. Hopefully inspiring people to the point of what Yerdaddy does as well.
To add some information to this thread:
As flags become faded or worn from the weather, they should be replaced with new flags. Take the faded flags that have flown from your flagpole, vehicle, balcony, etc. to your local VFW, American Legion, or BPOE (Elks). These organization will take the flags and retire them in a reverent ceremony to mark the end of their service. Any and all patriotic flags, including American, POW/MIA, state, military branches will be accepted to be retired with ceremony and respect. Do NOT simply throw a flag in the trash. You may want to visit one of these ceremonies when one of your local organizations holds one.
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