grunge still kicks ass

[Arienette]

maybe i'm biased because some of my most formative years coincided with the emergence of grunge as a genre. regardless, i think that grunge is still great today, even though it's less of a cultural phenomenon as it was back in the day. i hear people bashing grunge a lot these days, and i really dont get it.

alice in chains, early pearl jam, nirvana, soundgarden, etc etc still sound as good and as relevent to me as it ever did. this is good music. and it is, dare i say, far better than the vast majority of new music you hear today.

so fine, we dont need to all look like we just stepped out of the movie singles anymore, but the music's still good. ok i'm done now

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[Ryan the Great]

i'm more into punk rock myself, not blink182 and sum41 and all that other gay crap that mtv calls punk but real punk like operation ivy and the partisans, but everyone once in a while i will listen to some nirvana or pearl jam or something, i can listen to anything really, the only crap i really cant stand is that screaming crap like slipknot and mudvain, and rap, "yo yo yo you my bitch u bess stay my bitch ho", i cant stand that shit. i dont like rapcore either like limp bizkit.
i still listen to nirvana or black sabbath or something every once in a while though when i need to hear somethng different. when i was like 7 or 8 my parents got me into aerosmith and took me to aerosmith concerts and shit so they kinda stuck to.
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[Lulu]

i agree with arienette. grunge is my favorite type of music. soundgarden, alice in chains, nirvana, and pearl jam are all extreamly great bands, and i don't know why they went away in the first place.

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[Sheeplovr]

rember kids silverchair counts to


and slipknot isnt all screaming

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[fatty]

amen arienette
pearl jam's still my favorite band. all the shit on the radio is just bastardized version of all the good stuff from 92. i miss those days and i want to kill people who say it was just a fashion fad. grunge is the best.

and if you are longing for a great grunge band i suggest blind melon. i just got into them and they are f'n awesome, i feel like i'm in 92 again.

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[erinmoran]

Just call it what is----rock and roll....although... i call Blind Melon toilet paper

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[JerryTaker]

rember kids silverchair counts to


No, Silverchair is the crap that MTV found and shoved down our throats when Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains wouldn't play along and make "nice" videos...

and it was Silverchair, Bush , and Greenday that MTV used to kill Grunge, and rock music in general, so those bands can go fuck themselves....

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Just call it what is----rock and roll


Yep.

[jestah]

Here's the problem with grunge....outside of Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains who for the most part were the "heart and soul" of grunge, there wasn't a whole lot else to work with. Pearl Jam pretty much fell apart after the release of TEN (let's face it, aside from a song here and there, they were pretty damned awful. The only thing Eddie Vedder was/is good at from that point is bitching about how miserable his millionaire rock star life is), Blind Melon as brilliant as they were just weren't around long enough and Silver chair is/was nothing more than an MTV pre fab [insert musical genre here] band created to suck every possible penny from their "fans" AKA 14 and 15 year olds who at the time just didn't really know any better.

The other problem with grunge is/was that if you went commercial, you were a "sell out"...if you stayed "true to your roots" you crashed and burned and were never heard from again for the most part. The entire band slipped into the vast wasteland of "never reached their potential status aka musical pergatory playing in a studio band.

[Arienette]

Pearl Jam pretty much fell apart after the release of TEN

i wouldnt quite say they fell apart, but regardless... even if they had never put out another album after ten, pearl jam still would have been a seminal band in not only the grunge scene, but to rock as it developed after that. ten is, in my opinion, one of the most perfect albums ever made. the only bad thing about pearl jam's existance is that it layed out blueprints for creed

The other problem with grunge is/was that if you went commercial, you were a "sell out"...if you stayed "true to your roots" you crashed and burned and were never heard from again for the most part.

this is true with many genres, not just grunge. and if you're not being challenged by the never ending stay true vs commercial success dilemma, you're probably in a boy band. there is some middle ground, though. i dont feel liek alice in chains or nirvana (for example) ever really sold out, and they certainly didn't disappear. far from it - we're already approachign a decade since kurt's death, and there's more nirvana on the radio today than there was back when he was alive.

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[Zipgun]

It's too bad that no one ever credits Mudhoney as one of the greatest grunge bands of all time.

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[fatty]

The only thing Eddie Vedder was/is good at from that point is bitching about how miserable his millionaire rock star life is)


pearl jam chose not to do videos or interviews and to stay away from the media. it has nothing to do about bitching, it has to do with not getting involved with the bullshit MTV has become. they could have been bigger than nirvana, but they chose to fight ticketmaster with their power instead. you are bashing a ban that tried their hardest for their fans.

also obviously none of their albums are as good as ten, but they still kick ass. yield is really the only suspect album the rest are incredibly good. maybe you just think they suck because you have no singles to listen to or videos to watch.

real grunge cannot stay mainstream, because mainstream cannot handle it. they create these bastarized versions like silverchair and creed (wow arienette hates creed too? we must have the exact same taste in music), these are the bands that the mainstream can handle.

real grunge has never died for its true fans, it's just harder to find nowadays. fuck k-rock, they know nothing about real rock music. and the fact they have a tribute on mtv about that bitch left eye and do nothing, NOTHING on layne staley makes me want to kill everyone.

and i think mudhoney rocks

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[jestah]

I'm not basing Pearl Jam...I'm bashing Eddie Vedder, and I'm not even discussing ticketmaster. While TEN is one of the greatest albums that I have ever heard, and set the stage for a damn fine era in music, I don't think that they did much after that.

You can't take a video and use that to judge a band. In fact, I don't think that I have watched MTV for videos in over 10 years. While they are a valuable promotional tool at times, for the most part, it's another way for record labels to get more money from the artist, which most new artists/bands don't fully comprehend upon signing that contract.

Getting back to Eddie Vedder and my earlier bitching statement. Look at a local bar on a weekend, see the band that's playing. If you're too young for that, check out one of those free musician newspapers that are in almost any guitar shop...there are literally thousands of people absolutely dying to be where he is and doing what he's doing. Now, it's not only him, there are a lot of artists/bands/athletes/actors etc who have this attitude. The whole feel bad for me because I'm rich thing just doesn't cut it for me. What he does and what he has accomplished is no easy feat and I acknowledge that and congratulate him on his longevity in a business where the average lifespan is a year or two at most. I can also appreciate his battles with ticketmaster but keep in mind, that this isn't something that was thought up by them. They're just helping the crusade along.

[Sheeplovr]

No, Silverchair is the crap that MTV found and shoved down our throats when Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains wouldn't play along and make "nice" videos...

and it was Silverchair, Bush , and Greenday that MTV used to kill Grunge, and rock music in general, so those bands can go fuck themselves....


are you a bitter old man

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[JerryTaker]

are you a bitter old man

yup, but that's besides the point... whippersnapper!

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[fatty]

i'm not a bitter old man, but i am extremely bitter about how music is. i'm only 23 but music got me through a lot of very tough times. and it was this whole grunge revolution that helped me through the worst of them.

in a time where the 80's was all about who is popular and who is not, and all the glam metal bands sang the same crap, grunge changed it all.

nirvana and pearl jam and alice in chains came out and just rocked hard and let us know that it's okay to be miserable and it's okay to be ourselves because there are people just like us.

the people in charge of music did not want this type of music to catch on, but for a short while in our history the youth of america chose what it wanted to hear, and it was a beautiful time.

i am bitter because eventually the music business won, they took what we loved and killed it and in the end it turned back into insync and creed. i am bitter because today's kids will never know what real music is, and it's a shame.

jestah, i don't think you and i will see eye to eye on vedder, and that's cool. i never saw him as someone who wanted people to feel sorry for him, i think the media portrayed him that way because they were and are still pissed at all the money they could have made off him and didn't. but we look at it different and that's cool. if you want sometime i can tell you some really good pearl jam songs off their later records, some of them are good enough to have been on ten.

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[jestah]

Fatty, if you can give me some songs to listen to, I will be more than happy to try and get them and give them a listen. I make no promises that I will like them but you can't know unless you try them.

[Arienette]

i am bitter because today's kids will never know what real music is, and it's a shame.

i don't know about that... granted, there is a massive amount of crap out there these days that would fit quite nicely into what you've said. however, there's also a lot of really good new music coming out. the only real difference between then and now is that the music that is getting a lot of air play today in general sucks ass, and the good stuff is more underground. but not that underground... i am confident that anyone who is really interested in finding good, important music can find it.

i think for a lot of us this is a reall touchy subject because the movement was so huge and we sort of felt like we were a part of that... i know i did. and i think that's one of the biggest things missing in music today, that feeling of being a part of something that you love and knowing that it's important not only to you. i can see it a little in the emerging emo scene, although it doesn't seem like it'll come into the mainstream as much as grunge was able to. who knows, though. i guess it's still boy bands and nu metal for the rest of them...

it was just the death of layne staley that made me start thinking about all of this. i have heard so much grunge bashing and i still consider alice in chains to be one of my favorite all time bands even though they hadnt put out anything new in years. and that albums like dirt, ten, badmotorfinger, etc are really still as valid today as they ever were.

and to be honest, it makes me really happy to see that people still care

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[angrymissy]

Mudhoney was the band that everyone at Subpop thought was gonna be big. They're a badass grunge band.

I loved pearl jam - Ten, every album after that I didn't like.

I was a total grungie girl in high school, ill admit it i even dressed like courtney love *****shame face*****

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[erole]

finally, people who like some of the music i like. i coasted through the 80's and never liked anything once Smells Like Teen Spirit hit my ears, I finally heard something that I liked. Uncluttered, raw emotion sounds, I was hooked. I got my hands on everything Nirvana, even their single Oh the Guilt with Jesus Lizard. <P>
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[cheezeemee]

Nirvana's album "Bleach" was the shit! "Negative Creep" is one of the heaviest songs ever!


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